Which case fans and how many more are supported by the Enthoo Luxe case?

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I'm building an SLI build and was told that I should get more case fans to keep my system cooler. What kind of fans and how many more I can get, aside from the fans that come with the case, the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe?
 
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As the Enthoo Luxe already has the best fans on the market, just get more of the same. I have:

(15) F140SPs in an Enthoo Primo build
(7) F140SPs in an Enthoo Luxe build

Here they topple the previous king of the hill (Noctua AF) by 3C while spinning 300 rpm slower.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenteks_f140/3.htm

Here they top everything .... Phanteks uses the same motor, blade , bearing design across their model line.... the shroud changed based upon usage. The two letters at the end determine shroud / fan mounting. You can use either the SP of MP series

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html

Silent PC review top 20
Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS
Noctua NF-A14 FLX
Noctua NF-A15 PWM
Noiseblocker B12-2...
As the Enthoo Luxe already has the best fans on the market, just get more of the same. I have:

(15) F140SPs in an Enthoo Primo build
(7) F140SPs in an Enthoo Luxe build

Here they topple the previous king of the hill (Noctua AF) by 3C while spinning 300 rpm slower.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenteks_f140/3.htm

Here they top everything .... Phanteks uses the same motor, blade , bearing design across their model line.... the shroud changed based upon usage. The two letters at the end determine shroud / fan mounting. You can use either the SP of MP series

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html

Silent PC review top 20
Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS
Noctua NF-A14 FLX
Noctua NF-A15 PWM
Noiseblocker B12-2
Noctua NF-P14 FLX
Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120-12
Noiseblocker M12-S1
Corsair AF120 Quiet
Corsair AF120 Performance
Thermalright TR-TY150
Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120-14
Xigmatek XAF-F1453
Nexus Real Silent
Xigmatek XLF-F1453
Noiseblocker B12-PS
Corsair SP120 Quiet
be quiet! Silent Wings 2
Noiseblocker M12-S2
Antec TrueQuiet 120
Noiseblocker M12-P

What are you using for CPU cooling .... we have a Swiftech H240-X in the one upstairs.

Recommendation:

(1) 200mm front fan => CHA_1 MoBo Header

You can have up to 6 fans on the included Fan Hub (w/o plugging in SATA Power Connctor) plugged into CHA_2 Fan Header on MoBo using DC voltage control:

(1 - 3) F140SPs in top (intake or exhaust)
(1) F140SPs in rear (exhaust_
(1 - 2) F140SPs on bottom (intake)

You can add 5 more fans if you use a PWM header (totally unnecessary)

Here's a pic of Luxe w/ Air cooler and 7 fans
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And here's another pic just before installing the Swiftech
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Again, what **I think** is what I told you in the above post. Always better to have more fans at lower rpm than less fans at higher rpm. To fit 2 fans on the bottom, you need to take out the lower HD cage and slide bracket. You get (2) 140mm w/ the case; if you need both HD cages I'd add 3 more and see how it goes....if ya don't need the bottom cage, 4 is better. You won't hear them if ya keep rpm at 850 or below.

You can also add (2) 120mm fans to the side of the HD cages to blow air between GFX cards

1. In the pic above, that's the Gigabyte SOC Force, as you can see the big air cooler had to be installed horizontally instead of the recommended vertically cause the cooler was hitting the top GFX card. That's one of the reasons it was sent back and swapped out for the Swiftech H240-X.

2. I'd swap out the RAM for these since the GSkill's will likely hit your NH-D15 :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226416
The Mushkins have Hynix modules and are therefore able to run at lower timings
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-scaling-gaming-haswell-richland,3593-18.html

3. The 100ME GFX cards are about a half inch longer and with the green color it seems to clash with your RAM, and MoBo colors. Might wanna stick with the stock red version.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127832

4. The SSD doesn't do squat for games stored on the HD. This is 50% faster and cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-PCMark-7-Gaming,2915.html

5. Might wanna add one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811984003
 

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I'm getting the ME editions because they have a backplate, and the stock red versions don't.

I might get a Swiftech H240-X.

I'm gonna stick with a regular HDD, as I have heard that SSHD really aren't that great for gaming.
 
In the build above, we used custom backplates. But you can paint the shrouds

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You heard very, very wrong.... just installed my 13th SSHD ... oldest is about 3.5 years. Do you look at the link which benchmarked 70 HDs on gaming benchmarks ?

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-PCMark-7-Gaming,2915.html

SSHD 9.76 MB/s
WD Black 6.,34 MB/s

I have two test boxes:

Desktop w/ with (2) Samsung 840 Pros, (2) 2 TB SSHDs and (1) 7200 rpm HD
(2) otherwise identical laptops, one with SSD + HD and other with SSHD

So far no one in the office can tell the laptops apart ... they are used as CAD workstations. On my desktop, by the 3rd game load, the SSD and SSHD are indistinguishable.
 

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I don't care that the GPUs are green, tbh red and green might look pretty cool together. Plus, it's got a backplate, which could help, and it's limited edition, so why the hell not.

I hear people saying this about SSHDs for gaming:
"The SSHD is only good for making Windows and your primary apps load at SSD speeds. Random stuff like the next level of your game - not so much."

I also hear that SSHDs have smaller caches.

Btw, what do you think are better for SLI, MSI 970s or Gigabyte G1 970s?

Thanks!
 
The phanteks fans are decent but I personally ran into a problem trying to run the ph140sp in the horizontal position (ie, top exhaust). The "updraft floating balance" bearings are essentially sleeve bearings and didn't play nicely when mounted horizontally with the weight of the fan 'hanging'. It caused some movement in the bearing and created some nasty vibrations. Those vibrations went away immediately when the fan was oriented vertically (as rear exhaust/front intake). Ended up using a couple of noctua redux 140mm 1500rpm pwm which use a hydraulic bearing for the top exhaust and no vibrations.
 

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So I think I figured out what I'm going to do:

I'm gonna go with the Swiftech H240-X and get four 120mm case fans, two for the bottom (I'm not going to need the bottom HD cage, all I have is one HDD and one SSD) and two for the HD cage.
 

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If you remove the cage so to goes the fan mount .
 


1. You can't see them anyway as shrouds are under the card. As for the backplate, that's why I used the custom jobs....can have them made to many different color / designs.

2. My guess this is an assumption from people who haven't used them guessing at what you might be doing with your PC. If you randomly jump from program to program, from game to game playing 13 different games in a day, what you "read on the internet" would certain;y be true.

But having extensively tested SSHDs for 4 years I can tell you this is not how most peps use their PCs. On our workstations, people tend to be focused on a small number of projects at a time, most often just one major project gets most of their attention. On gaming boxes, with 5 people here at home being adult gamers, I can tell you that such behavior is not the norm. In single player, pretty much everyone here plays a game through..... So when you are playing Far Cry 3, by the 3rd time you load the game, FC3's files are on the SSHD .... they will stay there unless you start playing a bunch of games repeatedly ... one load to pay BF$ in a match on Saturday nite will not change the algorithm as it works on repetitive patterns not random activity.

It gauge your sources by the amount of supporting data provided. I know what I see here (5 desktops / 5 laptops) ... the SSHDs simply kick tail and have been doing so for almost 4 years. I assume you have read the test results of THGs testing and if this "random theory" was true, it certrainly wouldn't be scoring 50% faster. But look at the reviews:

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5748/seagate-desktop-2tb-sshd-st2000dx001-review/index9.html

A situation like this left most power users using an SSD for their operating system, while still running a secondary mechanical drive for storage and games. A typical setup such as this would allow the OS to load very quickly, while leaving you stunned at how long it took to load a game. With the introduction of the Desktop SSHD, Seagate has again switched up the game, offering a substantial performance boost to those of you in this situation.



Now, if you are one that chooses to use a single drive for your operating system, and have held onto your standard desktop HDD for the benefit of capacity, the Desktop SSHD is calling your name. The 8GB of NAND cache in conjunction with Seagate's application optimized algorithms should offer a tremendous performance boost, and again the more you use, it the faster the drive will get, as it learns how you use your system.

As you can see it learns your usage patterns and if you are doing a bunch of random things, these will be ignored unless a pattern of frequent loading of the same (rather than random) files is established. It really kicks off when you add a SSD don the road with your OS and programs on it and keep the SSHD for gaming.

3. I don't think either is "better" as they each excel in different areas.

a) The MSI and Gigabyte both have superior componentry compared to Asus and EVGA

b) MSI and Gigabyte both outperform the Asus and EVGA cards routinely breaking 1500 boost clock. As for who wins between the two, Gigabyte seems to win more than it loses.

c) The Gigabyte is almost 2 inches longer making it a fit issue in many cases.

d) MSi has an edge on noise with it's ability to shut down the fans and even run one fan or two depending on load.

e) Which one I pick for particular build most oft comes down to what MoBo was picked. If it's an MSI Gaming 5, the MSI 970 makes more sense.... If it's an Gigabyte Gaming 5...the Giga 970 makes more sense.... That way if ya have an issue with either, tech support can't chase ya off the phone by blaming the other guy




The Phanteks fans don't have sleeve bearings, they use modified rifle bearings.

Enthoo Primo Build - Has (10) horizontal and (5) vertical Phanteks F140SPs .... no vibration, no noise after 18 months of operation. Running Furmark, you can not tell if the machine is one or off if your eyes are closed.

Enthoo Luxe Build - besides the front 200m, has (6) horizontal and (1) vertical Phanteks F140SPs ....all of the aftermarket versions have no issues. One of the originally provided fans (on top) had fan wobble and made noise.....contacted Phanteks, they sent a new one. New one runs fine.


Those are the builds here .... upstairs. No issues on any other builds that have gone out the door either.

Now has such been noted in the reviews. Hightech legion has them installed vertically as case fans and horizontally as radiator fans

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/heatsinks/37419-phanteks-f140?showall=&start=3

...... This would be expected given the specs, but what is not expected is how quietly they manage to do this. First off, there is no discernible mechanical noise from either iteration of the fan. The bearing is dead silent, and there is no ticking, buzz or hum often associated with PWM present in the 140XP. The other factor is the actual pitch of the fan, which is lower than most 140mm fans we have encountered. There is no whine or high pitches of any kind. This makes the 140SP and XP far less intrusive even at higher speeds. At lower speeds, the air movement is substantial, but even in the front intake position there is no real discernible noise until ~850rpm, and they never become distracting when pushed beyond that.

They also comment on the quietness of the case here with two horizontal and 3 vertical fans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWsPYTDEmHQ

If you are getting a bearing noise, I'd suggest you contact Phanteks and have it replaced.





You can still mount (1) 120mm on the upper cage and (2) 140s on the bottom of the case. With the H240-X, I'd suggest

(1) 120mm on returning HD cage
(1) 140mm on top along side the swiftech
(1 or 2) 140mm on bottom
 

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As always, thanks for your very helpful answers.

1. I'm going to get an SSD (Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB) for my OS and other vital programs, and I'm going to get an SSHD (Seagate ST2000DX001 2TB) for my games and all other files.

2. I'm getting the Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 mobo, so I'm going to get two Gigabyte Windforce 970s.
Will two of these large cards fit in the Enthoo Luxe case?

3. I'm still undecided about whether or not I'm going to get a Swiftech H240-X or a Noctua NH-D15. If I get the Swiftech, I will get one 120mm fan for the top HD cage, and two 140mm fans, one for the bottom of the case and one on the top alongside the Swiftech. If I get the Noctua, I'll get these three fans, in addition to one more 140mm for the top.

Do you think I should keep the bottom HD cage and use it as a fan mount for one more 120mm fan, or just get rid of it?

On the PCPartPicker website, there are a lot of Phanteks fans, which ones in particular would you recommend and will be compatible with my case?
 
I was going by some of the online reviews like this one here which describes the ufb as a sleeve bearing.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2670

Phanteks isn't exactly forthcoming about what 'updraft floating balance' is and I haven't seen it referred to as a rifle bearing anywhere. Even if it is a rifle bearing, rifle's are basically modified sleeve bearings. They're neither ball bearing nor hydraulic (by typical standards for 'hydraulic bearing' fans). Could very loosely be considered 'hydraulic' just as any other fluid type bearing I suppose but still much different from say sony's s-fdb.

"Rifle bearings are similar to sleeve bearings"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_fan

All I know is both phanteks fans that shipped with my case had horrible vibration mounted horizontal, both the 140 and 200mm. Something not experienced with the noctua redux 140mm's. Other fans have had similar issues horizontal, cougar vortex, aerocool ds and others.

Guess I'm not the only one, spcr didn't have much luck either.
"We couldn't dig up any meaningful information or schematics on its mysterious "Updraft Floating Balance" bearing"
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1291-page5.html
 
According to the phanteks website, "The Luxe comes pre-installed with a 200mm front fan and 2x PH-F140SP fans" and "Enthoo Pro includes 1 x 200mm fan in front and 1 x 140mm fan in the rear...All fans included are Phanteks’ new redesigned and better performing SP series fans". It seems they use the same fans and yes I have the enthoo pro. Great fans, the 200mm gets a little motor whine at full speed and the 140mm is also audible at full speed but that's pretty much any fan. I run them on a rheobus fan controller and have both turned down some to around 70% speed. They're quiet in terms of hub noise vertical mounted as front/rear intake exhaust.

Tried turning them horizontal and both had significant noise and vibration with the weight of the fan 'hanging'. Turned over with the weight of the fan resting against the hub/frame (think top intake or bottom exhaust) the issue went away. Some play can be felt along the shaft in terms of the blades pushing and pulling up/down the spindle, about a 1/4" or so.

I tried them both horizontal, was originally going to add more of the 140sp fans to match the stock fans and try to keep the looks clean (black frame, white blades). Some people mentioned using the 200mm on top and replacing the front intakes with a pair of 140mm's. Because of the vibration I just left them in their stock location, 200mm up front and 140mm in rear then added the two noctua's I was going to use as front intakes up top as exhaust. Turns out it didn't hurt the looks much using the redux, can't really see them since they're mounted high (no radiator) and through the tinted window the blade colors appear similar under the led lighting.
 


1. That combo works great.

2. The Giga Gaming 5 and Guiga 970 are a great combo.... We looked at the Gaming 5 and Gaming 7 but for an extra $50, all I saw that the 7 provided was 2 extra SATA ports and an extra Fan Header. And yes they fit in the case. Relevant Specs:

Graphic card Clearance = 347mm
Graphic card Clearance = 338mm minus reservoir diameter (reservoir bracket installed)
Graphic card Clearance = 472mm (without HDD Cages)

CPU cooler Clearance = 193mm

The G1 GFX card is 12.28" long or 312mm
 


I found the information easy to obtain.... I e-mailed them asking how I might remove the fans in preparation for dying them orange to match build highlights color. In the material they sent on how to do so, the bearing was described as a modified rifle bearing.

I have seen other fans make noise in the opposite situation you describe. When blades can move on the shaft, on top when pushing air in the static pressure exerted on the air can lift the blade housing so that it no longer rests on the shaft stop an "floats" ..... as it speeds up slows down, the up and down motion can create noise. When installed as you describe, I'd expect that gravity would keep it in place and if anything more speed would hold it there even more....it can't "float". However, what can happen in a non fluid / floating horizontally mounted bearing is that no lubricant gets to the top of the shaft which dries out and can cause noise.... over time.

But again, the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.... I just took out another spare and ran it at full speed holding in my hand trying at all different angles. Couldn't get it to make any noise other than the the sound of rushing air.

My Primo box has 10 of them mounted horizontally and of course as they are mounted on radiators, they all blow in. The top (6) fans are "white hub up" blowing down and the (4) bottom fans are label up, blowing up ..... none makes a sound at up to 850 rpm and after that, it's just the sound or rushing air. The entire system is literally dead silent running furmark, close ya eyes and ya can't tell system is on.

The Luxe box belonging to Son No. 2 has (3) top fans blowing up as exhaust and (2) bottom fans blowing up as intake. With (5) fans blowing in, (4) of the fans ran dead silent.... one was noisy .... oddly enough the one that was the one that came on the top of the case. I replaced it with a spare I have for my box until the replacement arrives. I should also mention that the cooler has (2) additional fans of identical design, so .... not counting the vertically mounted front and rear fans .... we had a total of (7) fans mounted in the horizontal position. Yet, while the system is on, the only noise that can be heard is the EVGA G2 1000's PSU fan....which is annoying as you can still hear it even when system is idling. Then when we swapped out the air cooler for the H240-X, we reversed the fans on top, and had all(3) fans blowing in..... again no noise.

I will note however that there is a "supply issue" with the fans supplied with the case:

-The fans that come separate in a box have (8) rubber vibration isolators; the ones that come with the case do not.

-This presents a particular problem when mounting one of the case fans with one or more of the same model number aftermarket fans in that the two fans are of different thicknesses resulting in a "wobbly" install. It also makes noise.... not from the bearing but cause of vibration between case and plastic frame. Having seen this in the Primo, I asked them to send (40) isolators for the original case fans which they did.

-When the Luxe arrived, I saw that the fans that come with the case still didn't have the isolators and requested (and received) more.

I can appreciate that spcr didn't find any info but I also note two other things:

a) It doesn't look like they ever asked, little effort went into getting it
b) neither they, nor any other reviewer has made any mention of noise.

With 2 builds and 17 horizontally mounted Sp140 fans, only one made noise and it's replacement didn't.


http://www.overclock.net/t/551930/what-is-rifle-bearing-fan

Rifle bearing fans are similar to sleeve bearing, but are quieter and have almost as much lifespan as ball bearings. The bearing has a spiral groove in it that pumps fluid from a reservoir. This allows them to be safely mounted horizontally (unlike sleeve bearings), since the fluid being pumped lubricates the top of the shaft. The pumping also ensures sufficient lubricant on the shaft, reducing noise, and increasing lifespan.

Your wiki reference appears to be the source of the quote

Rifle bearings are similar to sleeve bearings, but are quieter and have almost as much lifespan as ball bearings. The bearing has a spiral groove in it that pumps fluid from a reservoir. This allows them to be safely mounted with the shaft vertical (unlike sleeve bearings), since the fluid being pumped lubricates the top of the shaft. The pumping also ensures sufficient lubricant on the shaft, reducing noise, and increasing lifespan.

Also here:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/Anatomy-of-Computer-Fans/1039
 
The wobble I felt was in the stock fan, no rubber mounts, not mounted mismatched with any other rubber grommet style fan so that doesn't account for it. I too held both in my hand outside the case and moved in various directions. You're right, the proof is in the pudding. Vibrating horizontally oriented to the point it was shaking my fingers. The fan blade had play along the shaft and 'upside down' the weight of the fan dropped it down the spindle to what I can only guess was a bearing running off-track. Turn it back up vertical, smooth as silk, tilt it back horizontal, vibration. Set it on a wooden desk surface and it sounded like a cell phone ringing on 'vibrate'.

Essentially they should be the same fans, a ph140sp is a ph140sp. Or should be. The only difference being those bought separately come with rubber dampers on the corner. There are also ph140xp's which are slightly different from those that ship with the case (for luxe and pro anyway) but I doubt that matters if they use the same ufb bearing. I guess I got lucky getting 2 different models of fan both with the same bearing and both with the same issue. 2 for 2 aren't the best odds.

In contrast, the noctua redux I bought, 2 for 2 were fine in any position. Glad that some people have been fortunate with them and for other vertical orientations I'd consider them sure. Just not for horizontal mount based on my personal experience. I could even contribute it to being a bad batch if they'd both been 140sp's but given they're different sizes and off different manufacturing lines it doesn't seem that easy.

Just from some of the reviews of the f140sp (same that ships with the cases).
4/22/2014 "Vibrates when placed horizontally"
5/16/2014 Vibrate so much on my H110 they gave the case a low "heartbeat" sort of sound

Others have had great things to say about them and I have nothing bad to say about them really. They aren't the first fans that have problems in the horizontal position. Depending where people are placing them, I would assume many are using as front intake, rear exhaust, cpu cooler fans - and in the vertical orientation are having awesome results. I have great results in the vertical orientation as well. But it appears I'm not the only one to have issues specifically in the horizontal mount either.
 
I know the difference between single ball, dual ball, rifle, sleeve, hydraulic etc bearings as I've done quite a bit of research on them. That's not the issue. I don't care if it's a quadruple ball super duper bearing, the fact is there's extensive play on these bearings on the ones I received. Aka, I can hold the fan shroud, grasp the fan blade and lightly 'pull' away from the shroud as if removing the fan and there's a good 1/4" of travel on both that came with my case. It's when the fan is fully extended to the outermost portion of the shaft that the vibration occurs. Sleeved bearing or not, rifle bearing or not, it's causing it not to function properly with the weight of the fan blade being pulled to the outermost portion of the shaft. It's bad enough it can be felt with a light flick of the finger to spin the fan while off as well as under power.

Spcr isn't the only source that couldn't find info on the bearing composition. Many customers have asked all over the place as well, many saying 'they're updraft floating balance, whatever that is - that's all they say on their site'. Which is in fact correct. They throw the propriety name for the bearing around so much that 'ufb' is all over the net - yet no diagram showing how it's different (or similar) to other bearings. Typically when companies are less than forthcoming about their fan bearings it's because they're sleeve (or variations). I didn't care to know bad enough to slice open a brand new fan to find out.

Try googling 'phanteks ufb bearing' or 'updraft floating bearing' and all you get are pics of their fans and coolers. Google 'noctua sso bearing' and you get diagrams, photos, teardown pics etc. Same thing with their ss02 bearing. It too is a proprietary bearing but they're very forthcoming about it and share exactly what it is in great depth for those who are curious. That's all I was pointing out. You'd think if they had a fancy new high tech bearing they'd be eager to show off but for the most part details are elusive and evasive at best. It doesn't make the bearings 'crap' but it does speak to the overall transparency or lack of.
 

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...So will I or will I not have any annoying noises coming from the horizontally mounted Phanteks fans?
What Phanteks fan models are compatible with this case and you recommend I should get?
All I want is there to not be any noise issues for my fans, I don't care if I get fans from a different company. What should I do?
 

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I don't have any noise in my luxe from the standard fans
Do you have some spare 120mm or 140mm fans ?
If so use them with the case fans to try diff setups to see how many fans u will actually need .
Have you decided on which cooler you will be using ?
 


As the above published sources indicate, rifle bearings are perfectly fine for horizontal mounting and not a single review has shown any problem with noise whether installed horizontally or vertically. If you do get a bad one .... I got 1 outta 24 that made noise, you should return it and get a replacement.

There are other alternatives but the "next runner up", the Noctua AF series is noisier and doesn't cool as well (AFs had temps 3C hotter in testing). But the bigger problem is that the AFs are PWM and your fan controller is designed for 3 pin DC voltage fans. If you want to use the Noctua AF's you'll also need one of these ....

http://www.swiftech.com/8-WayPWMsplitter.aspx

.... as well as a PWM MoBo header to connect it to. They are also twice the price..... 4 new and 2 replacement 140mm Noctua fans are going to cost you $180 + $10 for the controller. I paid $100 for the extra 10 I put in the Promo, but right now 4 new ones will cost ya $60, (1/3 the price)

But there's a simple way to find out ..... when the case arrives, do the build and turn it on.... it has a fan on top..... see if you hear anything. Decide how many and what fans ya need at that time. Having done as many build as we have with the Phanteks cases, only one so far had a fan that made noise.

Spcr isn't the only source that couldn't find info on the bearing composition.

I don't understand why you see this as of significance. I routinely look at case sites looking for clearance information on coolers and GFX cards. Sometimes it's listed and sometimes it's not. So a reviewer looked at the web site and the info was not there.

That in no way implies that a cooler or card will or will not fit, just that obtaining the necessary info requires effort. Similarly, it in no way implies that a fan does or does not make noise..... especially when that very reference rates them as having the highest performance / noise ratio in the test. Hightechlegion tested had them installed horizontally on radiators and detected no noise.

If a reviewer wanted that information, there is a very simple alternative..... contact support. That is how I have obtained the desired clearance information and that is how I obtained the bearing information. Yet still, no website has published a review making any mention of noise. Yes, I know that the fans can make a noise.... I have seen user posts saying the original case fans made noise, but NONE saying that a fan with the vibration isolators has made noise. There is a reason why they sell these

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g47/c111/s200/list/p1/Fan_Accessories-Computer_Fan_Silencers-120mm_Fan_Silencers-Page1.html

I had noise with the original case fans, but once Phanteks sent me the missing corner pads, that noise disappeared. 1 of the 24 I have personally owned with the pads did, but yet the replacement did not.