teflon66 :
I don't care that the GPUs are green, tbh red and green might look pretty cool together. Plus, it's got a backplate, which could help, and it's limited edition, so why the hell not.
I hear people saying this about SSHDs for gaming:
"The SSHD is only good for making Windows and your primary apps load at SSD speeds. Random stuff like the next level of your game - not so much."
I also hear that SSHDs have smaller caches.
Btw, what do you think are better for SLI, MSI 970s or Gigabyte G1 970s?
Thanks!
1. You can't see them anyway as shrouds are under the card. As for the backplate, that's why I used the custom jobs....can have them made to many different color / designs.
2. My guess this is an assumption from people who haven't used them guessing at what you might be doing with your PC. If you randomly jump from program to program, from game to game playing 13 different games in a day, what you "read on the internet" would certain;y be true.
But having extensively tested SSHDs for 4 years I can tell you this is not how most peps use their PCs. On our workstations, people tend to be focused on a small number of projects at a time, most often just one major project gets most of their attention. On gaming boxes, with 5 people here at home being adult gamers, I can tell you that such behavior is not the norm. In single player, pretty much everyone here plays a game through..... So when you are playing Far Cry 3, by the 3rd time you load the game, FC3's files are on the SSHD .... they will stay there unless you start playing a bunch of games repeatedly ... one load to pay BF$ in a match on Saturday nite will not change the algorithm as it works on repetitive patterns not random activity.
It gauge your sources by the amount of supporting data provided. I know what I see here (5 desktops / 5 laptops) ... the SSHDs simply kick tail and have been doing so for almost 4 years. I assume you have read the test results of THGs testing and if this "random theory" was true, it certrainly wouldn't be scoring 50% faster. But look at the reviews:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5748/seagate-desktop-2tb-sshd-st2000dx001-review/index9.html
A situation like this left most power users using an SSD for their operating system, while still running a secondary mechanical drive for storage and games. A typical setup such as this would allow the OS to load very quickly, while leaving you stunned at how long it took to load a game. With the introduction of the Desktop SSHD, Seagate has again switched up the game, offering a substantial performance boost to those of you in this situation.
Now, if you are one that chooses to use a single drive for your operating system, and have held onto your standard desktop HDD for the benefit of capacity, the Desktop SSHD is calling your name. The 8GB of NAND cache in conjunction with Seagate's application optimized algorithms should offer a tremendous performance boost, and again the more you use, it the faster the drive will get, as it learns how you use your system.
As you can see it learns your usage patterns and if you are doing a bunch of random things, these will be ignored unless a pattern of frequent loading of the same (rather than random) files is established. It really kicks off when you add a SSD don the road with your OS and programs on it and keep the SSHD for gaming.
3. I don't think either is "better" as they each excel in different areas.
a) The MSI and Gigabyte both have superior componentry compared to Asus and EVGA
b) MSI and Gigabyte both outperform the Asus and EVGA cards routinely breaking 1500 boost clock. As for who wins between the two, Gigabyte seems to win more than it loses.
c) The Gigabyte is almost 2 inches longer making it a fit issue in many cases.
d) MSi has an edge on noise with it's ability to shut down the fans and even run one fan or two depending on load.
e) Which one I pick for particular build most oft comes down to what MoBo was picked. If it's an MSI Gaming 5, the MSI 970 makes more sense.... If it's an Gigabyte Gaming 5...the Giga 970 makes more sense.... That way if ya have an issue with either, tech support can't chase ya off the phone by blaming the other guy
synphul :
The phanteks fans are decent but I personally ran into a problem trying to run the ph140sp in the horizontal position (ie, top exhaust). The "updraft floating balance" bearings are essentially sleeve bearings and didn't play nicely when mounted horizontally with the weight of the fan 'hanging'. It caused some movement in the bearing and created some nasty vibrations. Those vibrations went away immediately when the fan was oriented vertically (as rear exhaust/front intake). Ended up using a couple of noctua redux 140mm 1500rpm pwm which use a hydraulic bearing for the top exhaust and no vibrations.
The Phanteks fans don't have sleeve bearings, they use modified rifle bearings.
Enthoo Primo Build - Has (10) horizontal and (5) vertical Phanteks F140SPs .... no vibration, no noise after 18 months of operation. Running Furmark, you can not tell if the machine is one or off if your eyes are closed.
Enthoo Luxe Build - besides the front 200m, has (6) horizontal and (1) vertical Phanteks F140SPs ....all of the aftermarket versions have no issues. One of the originally provided fans (on top) had fan wobble and made noise.....contacted Phanteks, they sent a new one. New one runs fine.
Those are the builds here .... upstairs. No issues on any other builds that have gone out the door either.
Now has such been noted in the reviews. Hightech legion has them installed vertically as case fans and horizontally as radiator fans
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/heatsinks/37419-phanteks-f140?showall=&start=3
...... This would be expected given the specs, but what is not expected is how quietly they manage to do this. First off, there is no discernible mechanical noise from either iteration of the fan. The bearing is dead silent, and there is no ticking, buzz or hum often associated with PWM present in the 140XP. The other factor is the actual pitch of the fan, which is lower than most 140mm fans we have encountered. There is no whine or high pitches of any kind. This makes the 140SP and XP far less intrusive even at higher speeds. At lower speeds, the air movement is substantial, but even in the front intake position there is no real discernible noise until ~850rpm, and they never become distracting when pushed beyond that.
They also comment on the quietness of the case here with two horizontal and 3 vertical fans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWsPYTDEmHQ
If you are getting a bearing noise, I'd suggest you contact Phanteks and have it replaced.
teflon66 :
I didn't think that through lol, then I'll just get three 120mm fans.
You can still mount (1) 120mm on the upper cage and (2) 140s on the bottom of the case. With the H240-X, I'd suggest
(1) 120mm on returning HD cage
(1) 140mm on top along side the swiftech
(1 or 2) 140mm on bottom