Good idea to buy i7 870 and new graphic card?

raphaelaz · Apr 27, 2015

Hi
I have Acer M5910 bought in june 2011, 8gb ram memory, it has i5 650 processor and ati radeon 5850hd i tried search what motherboard it has but no luck, only found that LGA 1156 is socket type.

I want to upgrade my graphic card and processor without changing motherboard.
Found cheap i7 870 and it seems to have lot better benchmark 3143 => 5493. Does my motherboard support it ?
Also i want to upgrade my graphic card ati 5850, what is best radeon card my motherboard supports or should i go with nvidia instead?

thx everyone

yeskay · Apr 27, 2015

raphaelaz :

I would not recommend upgrading to a processor from the same time period no matter how cheap it is. That i7 870 was released way back in Q3 2009.

Also given the fact the Intel has confirmed their new "Skylake" Processors will be release in Q3 2015. It's completely a new series of processors based on 14nm, not just a refresh. It supports both DDR3 / DDR4 memory. So you'll have the option of buying DDR3 first and then upgrade to DDR4 when they really become affordable.

Since you have endured with i5 so long, I would suggest, save your money, and get something really nice from the "Skylake" with a good new H/Q/Z 100 Series Chipset based motherboards. The tech will be 1151 socket based.

Cheers!

raphaelaz · Apr 27, 2015

Ok, thanks for info. I will get new motherboard in 2016, will defindetly think about those skylake processors then. What about new graphics card? Any suitable model with good performance for both my old motherboard and new one im getting later (2016) on?

thanks

smorizio · Apr 27, 2015

lot of old mb cant run newer gpu because of bios issues. with new mb look at the r300 or nvidia pascal.

yeskay · Apr 27, 2015

raphaelaz :

AMD is coming up with new R9 300 Series, the high-end from the new series are going to have High Bandwidth Memory (HBM) that will be successor to GDDR5. Also the low to mid end ones in the new series, will at least have GCN architectural upgrades with GDDR5 if not HBM.

HBM is going to be the future, as it promises 65% performance improvement with 40% less power consumption. AMD cards are not known to be power efficient. But this new tech may be a game changer for AMD, as it too can come up with power efficient graphics cards, at least on par with NVIDIA if not better.

Also NVIDIA has confirmed to use HBM2 on their future PASCAL graphics cards, which are expected by Q4 2016 or Q1 2017.

So what I'm trying to say is, wait for another 40 days, compare the current gen cards from NVIDIA or R9 200 Series with the New R9 300 Series from AMD. If R9 300s are good pick one from those series, or if they don't provide anything ground breaking, you can pretty much pickup some thing from R9 200 series or NVIDIA.

Cheers!

raphaelaz · Apr 27, 2015

Ok, thanks very much for info.
I will buy new motherboard with r9 300s or 200s next year then, i get now i7 870 cpu for a year or so from my friend its so cheap 50 euros.
Any suggestion for used graphic card which is better than ati 5850, and which supports my old motherboard and i7 870 cpu for meantime (year or so)?

yeskay · Apr 27, 2015

raphaelaz :

Given the fact, that the performance difference of using a graphics card on pci 2.0 instead of pci 3.0 is negligible and also the pci-express 3.0 cards has backward compatibility, which will work fine on pci-express 2.0, you can get a decent card with pci-express 3.0 support from current generation.

PCI Express 2.0 vs 3.0 GPU Gaming Performance Review
pci-e 3.0 vs pci-e 2.0

Tell you me your budget for graphics card and also the site from which you will be ordering, I'll suggest you the right one.

raphaelaz · Apr 27, 2015

Its not english language site, and budget is around 300-400 euros / 400 $ for graphic card. Most important thing is that it works with my old m5910 motherboard.
Im fine with amd / geforce both.

Link for amd : http://www.jimms.fi/en/Product/List/000-0LP
for geforce : http://www.jimms.fi/en/Product/List/000-0LN

yeskay · Apr 27, 2015

raphaelaz :

I'm suggesting you the best card after considering the following factors:

- Your budget 300-400 euros.
- Your PSU 500W continuous power.
- Your Case Length: 42.3 cm. So if we take away 14.7 cm for a hard disk in a hard disk bay, the space available for the graphics card would be 27.6cm
- Your Case Width: 18 cm.
- Graphics Card Length should be less than 27 cm. Having a gap of at least 0.6 cm between the card and hard disk cage is preferable.
- When you install graphics card inside the case, it would be in horizontal position. So the height of the card should be less than or equal to 17.5 cm width of the case. Again at least 0.5 cm gap is preferable between the case and the graphics card
- Availability of the graphics card on the online link you provided.
- Should last at least for the next 2 years.

EVGA GeForce GTX 970 ACX 2.0, 4GB GDDR5, 2xDVI/HDMI/DP, PCI-E 3.0 + Get a free copy of upcoming "The Witcher 3" @ € 389.00

This beastly card dimensions - Length 24.13 cm (Case Length excluding hard disk Bay 27.6 cm) x Height 11.12 cm (Case Width 18 cm). As you can see it should easily fit into your case and also satisfies all the other criteria discussed above - The 500W PSU, your budget etc.

This card should easily server you well into the early 2017 and you would be nicely positioned to upgrade from this to NVIDIA's HBM2 based PASCAL Graphics Cards.

After purchasing the card, you should've received a COUPON CODE along with it for redeeming the game.

Go to NVIDIA's Redeem Site

Guessing from the link you've provided, I think you're from Finland, if so, Select your region as "Suomi" under "Europe" or if not, select your region accordingly. If you region is not listed in that site, then you're not eligible for redemption.

Enter your the COUPON CODE you received to redeem "The Witcher 3".

Cheers!

raphaelaz · Apr 27, 2015

Thank you very much for your time!
Do you think i need better cooler/fan than original with i7-870 and gtx 970?
Also i read some people say there is so called bottlenecks with old cpu and new graphic cards, can this happen with i7-870 / acer m5910 motherboard + gtx 970 combination?

Supernova1138 · Apr 27, 2015

That old Lynnfield i7 will definitely hold you back with a GTX 970 unless you overclock it, which likely isn't possible if this a prebuilt system from Acer. It might be worth getting the 970 if you plan on transplanting it to a newer rig within the next 6 months to a year. If you don't plan on doing that, you may be better off looking at a midrange card like the GTX 960, which won't be too badly limited by your older CPU.

yeskay · Apr 27, 2015

raphaelaz :

Bottleneck? May be a little or May not. Let me give you a simple answer. If a guy can pair a NVIDIA TITAN graphics card with an i7 920, which was released way back in Q4 2008, and play Crysis 3 comfortably. There is no reason why you cannot pair a GTX 970 with an i7 870, which was released in Q3 2009, and play current games including Crysis 3 comfortably.

Check out these videos:

- Crysis 3 Core i7 920 and GTX TITAN
- Shadow Of Mordor Bench GTX 970 / i7 930 @ 4GHZ

The stock cooler may do fine. But if you're skeptical, get this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $28.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-27 14:19 EDT-0400

In the end, I would say, first check with the stock cooler. If the results are not satisfactory, then get the above said cooler.

Cheers!

Supernova1138 · Apr 27, 2015

yeskay :

Lynnfield just isn't fast enough for the newer high end graphics cards at stock clocks. I hit some pretty severe CPU bottlenecks in Crysis 3 and GTA V with my i5 760 at stock, and even with an overclock to 3.5GHz it's still there, just not as severe, and I only have a GTX 770. The i7 does have hyperthreading, which will help a bit for some titles, but if the game is reasonably CPU heavy, but doesn't scale beyond 4 threads, then the OP is going to run into problems.

It's not specified whether the i7 920 in the Crysis 3 bench was overclocked or not, and on the Shadow of Mordor video it was overclocked to 4GHz from the stock speed of 2.8GHz for the i7 930. The i7 870 by default is clocked at 2.93GHz, and he's not going to get an OC to 4GHz, or any OC at all on an OEM motherboard from Acer. The OP can buy a GTX 970 if he wants, but he's likely only going to get maybe 80% performance out of it at best, so it might not be worth dropping the extra $100 over say a GTX 960 unless he plans on moving the 970 over to a newer platform in the near future.

yeskay · Apr 27, 2015

Supernova1138 :

yeskay :

Lynnfield just isn't fast enough for the newer high end graphics cards at stock clocks. I hit some pretty severe CPU bottlenecks in Crysis 3 and GTA V with my i5 760 at stock, and even with an overclock to 3.5GHz it's still there, just not as severe, and I only have a GTX 770. The i7 does have hyperthreading, which will help a bit for some titles, but if the game is reasonably CPU heavy, but doesn't scale beyond 4 threads, then the OP is going to run into problems.

It's not specified whether the i7 920 in the Crysis 3 bench was overclocked or not, and on the Shadow of Mordor video it was overclocked to 4GHz from the stock speed of 2.8GHz for the i7 930. The i7 870 by default is clocked at 2.93GHz, and he's not going to get an OC to 4GHz, or any OC at all on an OEM motherboard from Acer. The OP can buy a GTX 970 if he wants, but he's likely only going to get maybe 80% performance out of it at best, so it might not be worth dropping the extra $100 over say a GTX 960 unless he plans on moving the 970 over to a newer platform in the near future.

Thanks for the details Supernova1138. But what you don't know is we discussed all this in detail in our conversation

And yes he is planning to keep that GTX 970 at least till early 2017 and will be moving to a new intel platform in 2016. Cheers!

raphaelaz · May 1, 2015

Thank you very much for help! But seems like i7 has been sold already, new models cost a fortune. and dont want to buy used cpu from other country.
Can i still buy gtx 970 and run it with i5 650 without huge bottlenecks or issues? That card looks awesome for my new 2016 computer aswell hehe,
My motherboard bios is P01-A3 and smbios version is 2.6, so OLD, could this interfere with my new gtx 970?
thanks

wbj707 · May 1, 2015

I would hold off on upgrading the parts in that PC compatibility is gonna be an issue for you. Save up a little more money and build a i5 4690k with a GTX 970 and youll be very happy with it.

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