GPU recommendation 4k gaming please help!

helios411

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Current PC:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ct36FT
Current GPU: Gtx 670
Current PSU SeaSonic 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (quite new and trying to fit graphic card setup with this PSU)
CPU: i5 3570k
Mobo: Extreme4 z77
No overclock ATM but maybe.

Mostly gaming on 4k monitor

Preferred website for parts http://www.mwave.com.au/, http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index, from Australia.

Budget: prefer under $1k AUS, looking for good bang for buck.
Considering 295x2, 290x in cf, 970 sli, but seems i will have power supply problem still open to replacement or single 980

 
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Not a big deal according to site articles, including those on toms. The conclusion
was, for all the heat & shouting about it, none of it changes how the card behaved
in reviews, namely very well.

Plus, given its general performance level, if one was playing any kind of game where
one could be using as much as 4GB VRAM, then quite likely that's a game which is
beyond the basic performance ceiling of a 970 anyway (ie. certain games heavily
modded such as Skyrim, or if playing at 4K with some titles), in which case one ought...

disturbed force

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The 295x2 or cf 290x's is your best option and you do not need a 1000w psu them but the 760w is close. The 290x will outperform the sli 970 in almost every game at 4k, and challange sli 980's for almost half the price. This costs about the same as sli 970's.

PCPartPicker part list: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/PrGKgs
Price breakdown by merchant: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/PrGKgs/by_merchant/

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290X 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($195.00 @ CPL Online)
Total: $993.00

You can sell your current psu to recoup some cash.
 

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Joesph, there's no evidence the 970's RAM structure has any impact on real games,
check reviews, it doesn't change their original performance conclusions, the 970 is
a good card.

Having said that, I'd still get a 980 if possible, the performance advantage and option
to add another would be better overall for futureproofed 4K gaming IMO.

No need to get a mega 980 though, like the ASUS Gold which is staggeringly overpriced
for just a small oc compare to other factory oc. cards (eg. it costs 30% more than the
EVGA ACX 2.0 for only a 4% higher base clock). Personally I can recommend the EVGA,
reasonable middleground of cost/performance. It will not of course be as fast as two
970s SLI, but it won't suffer from stuttering in any game, it doesn't have the RAM issue
so many seem to feer atm re the 970, and you'll have room to grow with a 2nd later.

I can't recommend the AMD options atm, too loud, far too much power consumption.
The 980s run silent, really love that, and they're very power efficient. Hopefully their
new 3K series will resolve this, if only to push NVIDIA's prices down as that should
make 2x970 suddenly a lot more affordable, maybe even two 980s.


ShadowR34per, which 980s are you refering to? None here are as cheap as $500
equivalent each (UK). Maybe in the US with tradeins at microcentre or somesuch...

Ian.

 

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So the whole slower .5gb vram on the 970 is not a big deal? I want something that will last for around 2 years. Also should I wait for the 390x? I prefer not to buy just released flagship products though.
 

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So the whole slower .5gb vram on the 970 is not a big deal? I want something that will last for around 2 years. Also should I wait for the 390x? I prefer not to buy just released flagship products though.
 


I was with you on this one and nearly posted a similar option myself, however if you follow the link to the $399 290Xs, Mwave is actually selling them for $489, which changes the value proposition significantly! If there's a trick I'm missing here let me know, but I think pcpartpicker has got that wrong.

I do think AMD make increasing sense at higher resolutions, but that PSU is an issue, which is such a shame because OP has clearly invested in a very high quality PSU, just run into one of the few use cases where a cheaper but higher wattage model would be preferred.

 

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Just checked it out and you are indeed correct, that's unfortunate, guess that option is off the table.
 

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that link doesnt seem to work u got any benchmarks that flesh out the .5gb vram thing?
 

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that link doesnt seem to work u got any benchmarks that flesh out the .5gb vram thing?
 

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Not a big deal according to site articles, including those on toms. The conclusion
was, for all the heat & shouting about it, none of it changes how the card behaved
in reviews, namely very well.

Plus, given its general performance level, if one was playing any kind of game where
one could be using as much as 4GB VRAM, then quite likely that's a game which is
beyond the basic performance ceiling of a 970 anyway (ie. certain games heavily
modded such as Skyrim, or if playing at 4K with some titles), in which case one ought
to be looking at something more powerful by default, like the 980.

Waiting for the 3K series might not result in your deciding to get one of AMD's new
models, but at the very least it should bring down NVIDIA's prices, so there's still
something to gain by waiting. OTOH, one can't wait forever; it's the usual desire-trap
with PC hw, there's always something better round the corner. :D

In your shoes, if the need isn't immediate, and assuming AMD doesn't pull something
utterly awesome out of its hat (by that I mean a real breakthrough in noise/power levels
which they've been bad on for a while now), I'd wait for AMD's cards, let the pricing war
settle and buy two 980s. In my experience of dealing with both brands, you'll have less
driver probs with NVIDIA overall (I have several dozen GPUs, benched both sides over
the years, I always encounter many more issues dealing with CF setups than SLI, so
many odd glitches, freezes, app hiccups, etc. which just don't happen so much with
SLI configs).

If AMD could radically improve their driver quality, they'd be a much stronger force in
this market. However, that and the noise/power issue keeps making me choose NVIDIA.

Hmm, the only minor issue which annoys me about NVIDIA's drivers is the way the
AF image quality setting automatically flips to Clamp when I force the AF factor away
from Auto (if I have it set to Performance then it should stay that way unless I change it).


Btw, i7Baby is right, there's no data to 'flesh out' the 970 RAM issue because
none of it changes how it behaves re initial site reveiws, and so far nobody
has been able to demonstrate any game that suffers as a result. It's hard
even to show the issue with synthetic tests. If anything it's quite a nice
design (ie. for the target market, not really a factor at all), but certainly a PR
screwup that should have been avoided. Thus, in terms of attaining >980
performance at minimal cost, two 970s are nice, but for 4K I'd still err in
favour of two 980s, or one initially and a 2nd later.

Ian.

PS. With your CPU not being oc'd, and depending on the game, you could well
end up being CPU-bottlenecked with more than one 980 in some cases. Very
much depends on the game though, in most cases you should be fine.

 
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helios411

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I am also considering this particular gtx 980 for $669, http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1693&products_id=29662, which is for some reason $140 lower than the standard $800 for the 980.