Intel core i5 4690k vs i7 video editing (budget)

TheDutchCowboy · May 9, 2015

Hello,

I was wondering if the Intel Core i5 4690k would do good in video editing. I know the i7's are way better, but I'm on a budget and can't afford an i7. I can afford myself the i5 4690k. When overclocked can this CPU perform good in Adobe Premier Pro? I am planning to buy the GTX 960 for the CUDA cores to offset some tasks to the GPU.

I figured because of the cuda cores I wouldn't need an i7. Am I wrong?

I do not want to buy an AMD. However, there's still a cheap amd 8 core chip out there for +/- $150.
I've seen some good benchmarks on it in Premier Pro but I still prefer Intel's side.

Help is appreciated!

Cheers.

GhislainG · May 9, 2015

Presuming you'd buy a more expensive motherboard to overclock the i5-4690K, have you considered the Intel Xeon E3-1231V3? You won't be able to overclock it; therefore a less expensive H97 motherboard would be a good match. The total cost would be marginally higher while providing much better video editing performance.

synphul · May 9, 2015

This is encoding to h.264 (bluray) 2:21 length video.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2015/-31-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC,3722.html

i5 4690 (locked) 3.5 ghz - 135 seconds.
i7 4790 (locked) 3.6ghz - 127 seconds.
xeon 1225v3 3.1ghz - 141 seconds.

The 4690 clocked .1ghz faster than the 4670k finished 5 seconds faster. The 4790k clocked .4ghz faster than the locked 4790 (non k) finished 11 seconds faster. Since those two are identical aside from stock clocks out of the box it looks like clock speed alone has a significant impact and even when a slower xeon has hyperthreading, a locked core i5 is capable of faster speeds.

Keep in mind not all z series motherboards are extremely expensive, many are in the sub $100 range.

Another premier pro benchmark but no xeon benched.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4790k-i5-4690k_6.html

If at all possible, try to have your machine set up with multiple drives. One as a source for the video to be encoded and another for the output file. That way the hard drive isn't crippling performance trying to read/write at the same time to the same physical disk. Not just different partitions, two physically different drives.

GhislainG · May 9, 2015

synphul :

This is encoding to h.264 (bluray) 2:21 length video.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2015/-31-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC,3722.html

i5 4690 (locked) 3.5 ghz - 135 seconds.
i7 4790 (locked) 3.6ghz - 127 seconds.
xeon 1225v3 3.1ghz - 141 seconds.

The 4690 clocked .1ghz faster than the 4670k finished 5 seconds faster. The 4790k clocked .4ghz faster than the locked 4790 (non k) finished 11 seconds faster. Since those two are identical aside from stock clocks out of the box it looks like clock speed alone has a significant impact and even when a slower xeon has hyperthreading, a locked core i5 is capable of faster speeds.

Keep in mind not all z series motherboards are extremely expensive, many are in the sub $100 range.

Another premier pro benchmark but no xeon benched.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4790k-i5-4690k_6.html

If at all possible, try to have your machine set up with multiple drives. One as a source for the video to be encoded and another for the output file. That way the hard drive isn't crippling performance trying to read/write at the same time to the same physical disk. Not just different partitions, two physically different drives.

Please note that I suggested a Xeon with hyperthreading (8 threads), not a 4 core Xeon (4 threads). An overclocked i5-4690K is as fast, but personally I'd go for the Xeon because I look for optimal system stability.

synphul · May 9, 2015

True, I only quoted that because it's the only xeon they had tested. Would love to have used the 1231v3 as many recommend but good luck finding benchmarks for them. Even so the more interesting part I think was the i7 comparisons because they're a complete apples to apples, ht for ht with only difference being speed comparison. Many dismiss clock speed but it only too 400mhz to shave 11 seconds off a 2:21 length vid.

There's nothing unstable about an i5 even when it's overclocked (provided it's done properly). Xeon durability and ecc capabilities aren't really noticed in a single workstation as in 8hrs a day work. More so in render farms where they're encoding hours of video in server racks outfitted with 2-4 socket motherboards running full out 24/7. Home systems, office workstations etc really don't see those scenarios which differs between 'home' and 'enterprise'.

The locked core i7 is close enough to the xeon in comparison where ht is concerned. In this case, if 400mhz gained 11 seconds of render speed that works out to around 2.75 seconds per 100mhz. The locked 4790 did the job 8 seconds faster than the locked core i5 4690 - it's also 100mhz faster, so take 2.75 seconds off that and the difference becomes 5.25 seconds attributed to the hyperthreading benefit or roughly 4%.

Looking at the 1231v3 having hyperthreading, it should have a 4% advantage (as seen in the i5 to i7 comparison) which works out to rendering the same 2:21 length vid in 129.6 seconds. Factor the 2.75s per 100mhz and the fact the i5 is 100mhz faster than the 1231v3, the xeon should come in around 132.35 seconds. Just under 3s faster than the 4690k (stock). Overclock the 4690k to a moderate 4.2ghz (300mhz faster than turbo, fastest avail stock speed) and that would bring the i5's score to 126.75 seconds. Right in line with a locked i7 4790 and still faster than the xeon by a little over 4%.

Hopefully my math works out, obviously it's just theoretical but based off the limited sample sizing and lacking an actual xeon 1231v3 benchmark using the same video used in those tests, best I can do.

GhislainG · May 9, 2015

The system cost with the Xeon and a good H97 motherboard is about the same as the i5-4690K with a good Z97 motherboard and the required cooler to overclock it. It depends on what the OP does, but the Xeon will be faster at tasks that can take advantage of 8 threads. If gaming is part of the equation, then the i5 is better.

synphul · May 9, 2015

Not saying either one is a bad choice, but at the same price an overclocked i5 would be faster in premier pro from the looks of it. Especially given 4.2 is a very modest overclock. It did show to take some advantage of ht but the higher clock speeds made the i5 an even competitor.

Hard to say, I hate to base anything off a single benchmark but there already are few premier pro bench's much less with xeon's compared using the same test files. Definitely wish benchmarks were more complete and up to date, some either have spotty cpu inclusion or the bench's are outdated which can make a difference.

Going by u.s. prices (not sure if it applies to the op), tinkering on pcpartpicker looks like around $325-330 for either 4690k plus an aftermarket cooler and a z series mobo or the 1231v3 and h97 motherboard.

TheDutchCowboy · May 10, 2015

GhislainG :

I asked before what mobo I should get to overclock the i5 4690k, and the community here suggested the MSI Z97 PC mate. Which is €87 in the Netherlands. Keep in mind, I will be using a GTX 960 with 1024 cuda cores, so that will help a lot as well. I wasn't planning to overclock it right away because I don't have the money to spend on a cooler.(I know, it's terrible) The goal of my PC is silence, so that's why I will get the Define r5. I could've gone with an NZXT S340 and call it a day but I want silence

I'm coming off an Apple macbook Pro medio 2012 (which *sucks* at video editing). And is very quiet but has the worst cooling ever, CPU is always at 95 degrees celcius. Sometimes with skype, chrome and Word lel. But it's not about how terrible the macbook pro medio 2012 performance is.
From what I understand, the i5 is better when overclocked and I should go with the i5 if I do some gaming. I do game on my pc but most of the time I'm using my PC as a workstation to do schoolwork and heavy computer Tasks. Such as video editing.

But the xeon really speaks to me, as I can get a Xeon for the same price as I could get an i5 4690k. http://goo.gl/Q3fhkZ
I don't know if it's the right xeon model, hopefully you guys can tell me

This is my full spec list: (i5 build)

Fractal design define r5
Intel core i5 4690k
Gigabyte GTX 960 G1 Gaming
MSI Z97 PC mate
1tb Western digital blue (I will be getting an SSD later and maybe another HDD)
Startech PCIE Wireless adapter (I don't have cabled internet in my room but very fast Wi-Fi
Corsair DDR3 1600Mhz 8gb kit (can I overclock the ram??)
Asus optical drive
Cooler master GM 650w PSU

Which mobo should I get if I choose the xeon I was looking at the xeon prices with 8 threads and they are around €260,- and I was only paying €7 more for an z97 motherboard. So the i5 is better still with pricing, plus the ability to overclock it is nice. As I'm not planning to overclock it right away, the ability to get more performance out of the PC anytime I want saves to me an upgrade to an i7 for instance.
And which xeon model? I don't know anything about the xeon lineup but I do know a lot about the core series (i3, i5 & i7)

I prefer a motherboard that is less then €90,- Don't care bout wifi or anything like that, just need some PCI lanes and at least 6 sata ports

Just the same specs kinda as the Z97 pc mate.

Many thanks in advance!!

synphul · May 10, 2015

If that is the model of xeon you're looking at for the same price as the 4690k, the 4690k is much better. Going with the xeon you'd be getting a slower cpu with no hyperthreading, no overclocking and no internal graphics (if you ever needed a backup, wanted to render using quick sync etc). Not all xeons are the same and the reason people primarily look at the 1231v3 is because it has hyperthreading. The 1220v3 has no benefits over the 4690k in terms of performance even without overclocking the 4690k.

The pc mate is already one of the least expensive z97 motherboards, but I did find this. I'm not familiar with what sites are good or not in the Netherlands but it's less than 90 euro.
http://www.micro-mail.nl/web/mm2012.nsf/xArtikelkaart100.xsp?docid=CEB1E2914182D7C6C1257D01003025C3

TheDutchCowboy · May 10, 2015

GhislainG :

synphul :

I would absolutely love to own the xeon with HyperThreading, do I then have to use that motherboard that you suggested? It looks good to me. If I would buy the xeon with ht, I would go outside of my budget. So that means I would have to cut down some prices on some things. The motherboard you linked is actually 1 euro more expensive then the z97 PC mate. The only thing I could cut down potentially is the case. I need a case with an 5.25" bay. (which the s340 doesn't have) And some usb obvisouly and still perform quiet. For around +/- €50,- If you could suggest me something then that would be awesome!!! I was thinking of the Corsair 100r Silent edition, but I don't know if there's something better out there. The define r5 is still awesome.

Thx

GhislainG · May 10, 2015

It will work if the CPU officially is supported. As an example, an ASRock B85M PRO4 supports the Xeon CPU.

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