Build my own new computer now, or wait for the new stuffs?

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Should I build my own new computer now, or wait for the new stuffs this coming late-2015 and 2016 afterwards?

I currently have a mid-range PC that my family uses. However, I do plan to buy/build my own PC.

I've been thinking about building a Multi-Media Purpose Computer, whether my activities are gaming, video streaming, Photoshop, video editing, or audio recording and etc. Pretty much, it's going to be a PC that can whatever I want without issues, and is going to stick around for a long time. However, I do not want the best 'bling' PC; I want the best bang for my buck.

I've heard about Zen, R9 300 series, Skylake, Pascal, and all of that other new rumored-hype architectures coming out this mid-late 2015 and beginning 2016 afterwards. Not that I need corrections on my last statement, I think you understand what I am trying to say: Should I spend money now on the current available components or wait for the new awesome stuff to come out?

It's obvious that we don't know how much impact the new stuffs would be on our current components because they not out yet as of now. However, I am a customer that's willing to pay over $1,700; That is my current budget that I have been saving for a while now, and would probably increase over time should I wait for those new components. Therefore I am not even sure if I am going to regret spending that much cash on the current generation components. DDR4 RAMs and MOBAs are still overpriced to me, and I can't seem to create a build with those components that would satisfy me based on my budget.

I have been planning certain builds for my PC, and it's either I go Power Efficient or go gun blazing with power comsumption. Single thread would most likely be irrelevant, as I intend to open a lot of windows in my desktop(I have a WIN8.1 key). Haswell seems nice for power efficiency with lower PSU requirements while the Vishera 8-core cpus sounds nice for multi-threading based on its price value, but with the sacrifice of a much higher PSU requirement should I overclock. GFX cards are somewhat irrelevant, as I do intend on gaming for the sake of gaming and enjoy it for the sake of gaming, but not to brag about the high FPS because I am not a Fanboy of a certain brand or a PC-Master Race Elitist.

About cooling: I've been thinking about a multi-fan case with excellent airflow. Custom water cooling is not an option for me because that's something I don't want to do. At All. I can still use factory seal water cooling, but air cool is most likely my decision for CPU cooling.

Storage would be another subject so I will think about that later based on my free time. Recommendations are appreciated though.


(Note: Brands, and Cases are pretty much decided later. Again, recommendations are still appreciated though.)

Here are my example builds:

Intel build:
i7-4790s
x2 8GB 1600 DDR3 RAM
Geforce GTX 970
500w 80+ Bronze
Mini-ITX MOBA regardless of chipset
Most likely SSD for storage
1440p monitor
(Probably a white clean build with blue accents)

or

AMD Build:
FX-8320E (Would most likely overclock)
x4 8GB 1866 DDR3 RAM
x2 Radeon R9 290
1200w 80+ Gold
ATX MOBA with 990FX chipset
Most likely HDD for storage
x3 1080p monitor configeration
(I was actually thinking of a MSI Gaming build lol)

If you think you can make a better build than me with the budget of $1,700 then go crazy with it. If you want me to wait, then I shall wait for those new components this late 2015 or later 2016.

Thank you for reading! :)
 
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If you can wait it might not be a bad idea as things are transitioning to ddr4. Skylake is building on a platform with more pcie lanes than current z series. If you're concerned with power efficiency, that pretty much hangs it up for current amd anything. I understand you want a low power system but you also don't want to be choked when you need the performance either. It doesn't go both ways, you can't have a high end or fast machine on extremely low power. Even current k series cpu's don't use that much power when idling, only when you're actually doing something - and at that an intel based system uses half the power as an fx 8 core setup. More pcie lanes may be appealing if you wish to sli in the future and still need a couple extra...
First off, rarely people will read the whole thing if its that long, so next time make it shorter to get more answers.

Second, Here is a better "bang for the buck" build now:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($241.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PERFORMANCE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($117.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Video Card ($999.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair SPEC-03 Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1701.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-09 21:18 EDT-0400

Titan X's are beasts and the Xeon is basically an i7 4770. Best bang for the buck and is blingy.

These parts probably won't be outperformed a lot in the next generation, so if you wanted this now you'd be solid.
 
ok. i saw your two lists and here is sorta a mix of the two. This will be quiet, look sharp (i had the r4 case, it looks great) use an MSI Gaming theme; sports top end parts, and will be both balls to the wall gaming/overclocking, and energy efficient. sorta the best of both worlds. my own intel build isn't too far from this one.

furthermore we have color synergy with the MSI gaming motherboard (black and red gpu, red ram, black cpu cooler, black case)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.45 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($332.27 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout with Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($101.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($86.88 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($429.99 @ Mac Mall)
Other: Thermalright HR-02 Rev.B ($52.99)
Total: $1928.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-09 21:31 EDT-0400
 
Here if you want best bang for buck do this difference between i7 and i5 is just hyper threading they both overclock the same to about 4.6 ghz

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($125.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($117.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card ($303.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($105.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1103.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-09 21:33 EDT-0400
 

i figured he would get monitors he wants so i didnt put any in and aesthetics ?? Enthoo pro is one of best looking cases

 

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Sorry that I misused MOBA for MOBO and I will try to lower my text count on my next thread lol. :lol:

 

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Monitors can be added to the budget if possible, as I haven't bought a monitor yet. I can save more money after spending that budget, but waiting for more cash is going to be a long pain and inconvenient with a system with no monitor. In any case, whatever goes.

Cases would vary based on the Motherboard size I buy, so it's kind of like choosing the right glove to fit for me.
 

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I understand that difference, as Hyperthreading is something I will use. Again, I'm not just gaming with the system, as I am planning to multi-thread. Did I forget to mention power efficiency as in "low power?" I'm not that much of an overclocker, as I don't plan to go that route in a long run.
 

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Wow, a Xeon eh? I didn't think of that, as I misread your xeon as "i7" somehow lmao! My eyes must be fooling me. Alright, I may consider a that Xeon CPU as a recommendation.
 
For $1700 I'd say thats one of the best things you could get. It focuses more on the powerful aspect and less on the enthusiast aspect. I have sort of shifted my thinking in that way. I personally have an h100i and a 4690K (now OC'd to 4.5), but in hindsight I would have much rather spent the extra $100 from the h100i on a GPU and gotten a Xeon.
 
Also, I only had 8gb of ram in my first suggestion: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/m9RHjX

Here is another build with a 1440p monitor:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($241.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PERFORMANCE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($93.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($117.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card ($523.60 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-03 Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($479.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1743.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-10 16:02 EDT-0400

Basically the same parts with a 980 instead. Also the monitor is 1440p 144hz 1ms refresh.
 

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Wow, this is a nice build you should me. Thanks for showing me more builds.

However, back to one of my questions.

So I recently read this article:
WCCFtech: AMD’s Radeon R9 300 Series Landing by June 18 – Fiji XT’s Possible Release Date Spotted

I understand that this website is known for making tons of rumors based on speculations, but this basically brings back my question: Should I buy now or wait?

For example, a Titan X was recommended, but the Radeon R9 390x is 'supposedly coming soon' as of June 24th while the rebrands are coming earlier at June 18th, with the advantage of a lower speculated price such as $700, and along with 4GB of the new HBM memory(And also possibly with 8GB variant later) that's much more faster than GDDR5.

I know this is based on speculation, but what do you guys think of the new Radeon R9 300 series? Should I wait for the 390x benchmarks first before I consider the decision of buying today's Graphics Cards? :??:


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At this point, as you said it is all speculation. Who knows what its going to be like, and I think if you really can wait to just see benchmarks, I would.

Another thing, if you wanted a 1440p monitor within the $1700 budget, a Titan X would be out of the picture. The 390X will probably outperform the 980 substantially in my opinion. So if thats how things will play out, then I would wait.

Either way it plays out, I would wait just to at least see benchmarks.

To address the monitor, I would personally just use whatever you are using now for a monitor and use all your funds into the PC itself. Then when you get more money use it on a 1440p or 4k because they will get cheaper as time passes. A whole $1700 on just PC will be awesome and last for years to come.

 
If you can wait it might not be a bad idea as things are transitioning to ddr4. Skylake is building on a platform with more pcie lanes than current z series. If you're concerned with power efficiency, that pretty much hangs it up for current amd anything. I understand you want a low power system but you also don't want to be choked when you need the performance either. It doesn't go both ways, you can't have a high end or fast machine on extremely low power. Even current k series cpu's don't use that much power when idling, only when you're actually doing something - and at that an intel based system uses half the power as an fx 8 core setup. More pcie lanes may be appealing if you wish to sli in the future and still need a couple extra lanes for a sound card or something else. Current z97 setups have only 16 lanes (skylake is supposed to have 20), running sli in x8/x8 occupies all available pci lanes.

No telling what skylake cooling solutions will require, they're not in hand yet. You don't have to pick 'energy efficient' or 'guns blazing', even an i7 4790k gives better performance at half the energy usage of an fx 8/9xxx. Easy enough to cool on air, even when oc'd. I don't see any need to go with an i7 's' series and end up with a crippled cpu for the tiny bit of power savings. Just my opinion on it. As it stands with comparable performance, nvidia cards are a bit more power efficient than their ati/amd counterparts. They tend to cost more as well though that could change if you have to buy a higher wattage more expensive psu to run the cheaper amd card.

Many times amd gets the bang for the buck vote in that it does well enough for a few less dollars. Keep in mind any performance trade off vs cost difference spread over the length of time you plan to keep the machine. If it's 3yrs (your target), keep in mind if saving $60-100 now is important over the course of 3yrs. At the lower budget amd does have the bang for the buck vote many times, problem is amd quickly runs out of 'bang' and no amount of 'bucks' is going to change that.

If you're not a diehard gamer, a titan x is a waste of money. It's not going to improve the rest of the things you mentioned, multimedia (an igpu would do this), photoshop (very little benefit over an older mid range gpu and only some features use the gpu), audio etc. Since you mentioned running multiple applications, focus on 16gb of ram as the baseline. Single core performance is definitely important, it comes into play with everything you do on a pc. It's not a performance metric that only comes into play running a single program, it's the heart of the machine's capability. Exactly the reason why so many times amd's 8 core cpu's are outperformed by intel's quad cores. Less cores but more powerful cores still get the job done faster.

If you're unsure, pick some of the programs you think you'll be using and look at benchmarks for those programs. One of the biggest misconceptions are synthetic benchmarks such as passmark scores. Amd often times consistently scores high on synthetics, but if it was a reliable way to measure performance you'd think it would translate to real world scenarios and usually it's just the opposite. Synthetic scores don't make real day to day programs run any faster.

Unless you're in dire need of an immediate system, it may be worth waiting for the newer things to come out since it's close to transitioning (new cpu's, new motherboards, new ram, new gpu's).
 
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Hmm, I suppose it is better to wait for the 390x then because if I did, then I can increase my budget from $1,700 to possibly $1,800~1,900 given that if I do make more money after paying my expenses/bills.

I believe I'm hooked on the Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 for now. However, I am very curious of the M.2 form factor as storage. Because of the limit of x16 pci-lanes for the z97 chipset, I am not sure how to go about with a M.2 SSD since it uses x4 pci-lanes. Is it possible to use a M.2 SSD without affecting the pci-lanes, should I decide to Crossfie/SLI another graphics card for a x8 + x8 configuration?
If that is not possible then it's fine, as I am just curious because I thought about using a 480GB M.2 SSD as my boot drive, along with other important utilities/softwares such as a malware/anti-virus software and a Photoshop software, while storing images/audios/save files on a HDD by SATA3, and finally games on a cheap SSD or 10,000RPM HDD.

As for the monitor, I suppose I can buy a $150 price range 1080p TN monitor for now and also wait for more new monitors, as I am also interested in the Freesync/G-Sync solution for gaming.
I was surprised that Freesync's tear-free refresh rate was only effective over 40hz or higher, while the G-Sync module can still maintain its refresh rate at 30hz constantly without going any lower.
But then again, those tear-free solutions will be based on my Graphics Card's manufacturer(Nvidia or AMD). Guess my expensive workstation monitor is going to have to wait(I'm thinking about an IPS monitor).

I am sorry for typing so much, as I have thinking a lot lately about this PC, so I do apologize in advance for the long text again.
 

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Wow, this basically answers my question. Funny how the refresh didn't make it appears soon enough for me to see it.

Still, more PC builds are still being accepted based on my budget.

Thank you for reading and replying. :)