1440p monitor help?

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

I have an MSI R9 280 that I overclocked and an FX-6300 @4.5gHz. If I get a 1440p monitor, what settings can I expect to run games like Arma 3, BF4, etc. at and still get around >40fps? I might get a 970 for Christmas.

Which monitor would you recommend?

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-G257HU-smidpx-25-Inch-Widescreen/dp/B00QS0AKVK/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1431529515&sr=1-1&keywords=1440p

http://www.ebay.com/itm/QNIX-QX2710-LED-Evolution-ll-SE-Matte-27-2560x1440-SAMSUNG-PLS-WQHD-PC-Monitor-/131121204491?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e876ecd0b

Will 1440p monitor prices go down in the near future? It seems like they have been as of late.

Thanks!

mr91 · May 13, 2015

I suggest you keep what you have until you get your Gtx 970/980

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

mr91 :

So it wouldn't be playable without a 970? 980 is too far out of reach, so I'm shooting for a 970. It's not worth it until I get the upgraded GPU? Because it would be nice to have the extra real estate just for daily use, and I may start trying to get into music making

Edit: I could just run games on the old monitor if it's unplayable I guess

VincentP · May 13, 2015

Moving from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440 I have found I can get similar frame rates by disabling anti-aliasing. Without doing this, performance drop is about 25%.
I am using a GTX 770, which is a little faster than your card but the 3GB of RAM on the R9 280 is an advantage.
For the most part, you should get 40 FPS at the highest settings.

I haven't seen the monitors you ahve linked.
I chose the Dell U2713HM.
The Asus PB278Q was a similar option.
The BenQ BL3200PT is another option with much deeper blacks.
Then you have the Asus PG278Q with a faster response time, but limited inputs and color isn't quite as good.

mr91 · May 13, 2015

VincentP :

Moving from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440 I have found I can get similar frame rates by disabling anti-aliasing. Without doing this, performance drop is about 25%.
I am using a GTX 770, which is a little faster than your card but the 3GB of RAM on the R9 280 is an advantage.
For the most part, you should get 40 FPS at the highest settings.

I haven't seen the monitors you ahve linked.
I chose the Dell U2713HM.
The Asus PB278Q was a similar option.
The BenQ BL3200PT is another option with much deeper blacks.
Then you have the Asus PG278Q with a faster response time, but limited inputs and color isn't quite as good.

Are you also using a 6 core AMD processor?

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

VincentP :

Okay, that sounds awesome. Those monitors are really pricey for a high-schooler, though... I'm shooting for the mid-to-high $200 range. I've heard a lot of good things about the QNIX, and it's 27 inches

VincentP · May 13, 2015

sciamwow :

Making the jump to 2560x1440 for games is usually about quality, so a cheap monitor may not meet your goal.
You do get more screen real estate at this resolution though on any monitor, which is great for productivity in other applications.
Of course for desktop applications, two 1920x1080 screens can be even better.

Are you also using a 6 core AMD processor?

No, I have an older Intel Core i5 760.

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

mr91 :

VincentP :

Could you look into some reviews of the QX2710 and let me know what you think? I've heard really good things about it, but want some input from someone who knows about that stuff

mr91 · May 13, 2015

Seems like good value however I've never tried one.
The reviews are good.

I have an ROG SWIFT and in the past I had a Samsung 970D which has similar attributes and cost more than double the price...

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

mr91 :

I've heard they might have a little backlight bleed, which can be fixed
I've also heard that they sometimes show up with a few dead pixels, but that's not a big deal with so many pixels
And lastly it only has brightness changes I think, but colors can be changed through software

Edit: So overall, I've heard it's good. And it's overclockable

mr91 · May 13, 2015

Most Monitors have Backlight bleed however I don't think you can do anything about it other than send it back and hope you get a better unit...

mr91 · May 13, 2015

Some monitors have dead pixels however I suggest you return the monitor if you get them out of the box.

Calibrating your monitor will improve the picture quality...

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

mr91 :

I've read that some people loosen the monitor casing to keep it from putting too much pressure on the panel

mr91 · May 13, 2015

sciamwow :

I don't suggest you do that because you might void the warranty or make the problem worse...

mr91 · May 13, 2015

A little bit of backlight bleed is okay.

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

mr91 :

Okay. Well that's what I'm leaning towards at the moment. I have $250 to spend, plus I might sell an old iPod or some stuff I don't use anymore. And I can turn down the settings to medium/high and turn off AA until I get a 970 or something similar. Maybe another 280 in Crossfire, but then I'd need a new PSU. I don't know

mr91 · May 13, 2015

That seems like a okay plan, this monitor should improve overall computer experience when browsing and watching movies.
Let us know how it is for gaming...

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

mr91 :

Will do, so long as I actually go through with it haha
Thanks for your input

mr91 · May 13, 2015

sciamwow :

You're welcome! Good luck with everything...

VincentP · May 13, 2015

sciamwow :

Backlight bleed is a manufacturing defect that can be retuned under warrenty. For dead or bright pixels there will be some exclusion for a small number that are acceptable, above that you can return it. I certainly wouldn't muck around with the casing.

Unfortunately users often complain about backlight bleed with IPS monitors because they don't understand the technology. If you look at an IPS screen from anywhere but perpendicular the pixels glow. This means on a large IPS monitor showing a dark image, the corners glow. You can tell the difference by moving to look at the corner from perpendicular. IPS glow will vanish while backlight bleed will not.

If this is important to you, TN (Asus PG278Q) and AMVA (Benq BL3200PT) panels don't have the same issue.
AMVA panels also have a much lower minimum black level so the darks areas are shown in greater detail. TN and IPS have static contrast ratios between 800:1 and 1000:1. AMVA panels have static contrast ratios between 2000:1 and 3000:1.

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

I've heard it isn't actually IPS, but it is very similar. Regardless, I don't think there will be enough to warrant a return
Sadly, those monitors are blatantly unrealistic to me when it comes to price haha
What does the Static Contrast Ratio mean?

VincentP · May 13, 2015

sciamwow :

IPS is an LG technology. PLS and AHVA have pretty much the same properties, both pros and cons.
Contrast ratio is the difference between light and dark that can be displayed.
Static contrast ratio is the value based on the physical properties of the screen, and a good review will give a measured contrast ratio using a real image after setting brightness to an appropriate level.

Monitor manufacturers like to advertise "dynamic contrast" instead. This means they have some feature to increase contrast, generally dimming the back light when the screen is dark. They like these values because they are much larger, like 20000000:1. These values are achieved by comparing a completely black image where the back light can be turned off to a completely white image with the brightness at 100%.

The problem is that they don't actually help where you have light and dark parts of the same image. Any brighter part of the screen results in the backlight being on full and then the dark areas lose all detail. If you get a dynamic contrast feature just turn it off.

If you have to start turning down detail settings, or settle for a rubbish monitor, it is just not worth it to go to 2560x1440. I would suggest you get a good quality 24 inch 1920x1080 monitor instead.

sciamwow · May 13, 2015

VincentP :

sciamwow :

IPS is an LG technology. PLS and AHVA have pretty much the same properties, both pros and cons.
Contrast ratio is the difference between light and dark that can be displayed.
Static contrast ratio is the value based on the physical properties of the screen, and a good review will give a measured contrast ratio using a real image after setting brightness to an appropriate level.

Monitor manufacturers like to advertise "dynamic contrast" instead. This means they have some feature to increase contrast, generally dimming the back light when the screen is dark. They like these values because they are much larger, like 20000000:1. These values are achieved by comparing a completely black image where the back light can be turned off to a completely white image with the brightness at 100%.

The problem is that they don't actually help where you have light and dark parts of the same image. Any brighter part of the screen results in the backlight being on full and then the dark areas lose all detail. If you get a dynamic contrast feature just turn it off.

If you have to start turning down detail settings, or settle for a rubbish monitor, it is just not worth it to go to 2560x1440. I would suggest you get a good quality 24 inch 1920x1080 monitor instead.

It sounds like I wouldn't have to drop detail settings below high/medium to get good framerates since AA can be turned off with the resolution. And I would try to get a 970 or similar around the end of this year or beginning of next. And from what I've seen and heard, it really is awesome for its price. It obviously is no ROG Swift, but it sounds really good to me

MasterDell · May 13, 2015

The PPI on a 21", 1080p monitor is the same on a 28", 1440p monitor. Just gives you something to think about.

mr91 · May 13, 2015

I agree with VincentP, a good quality 1080p monitor is the best way to go for your situation...

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