Asrock Z87 ex4 and i7 4770k, can't maintain above 4.2. Temps fine.

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Hello,

I'm working on bumping up my overclock, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it. To begin, yes I have read this guide and it's what got me to 4.2. However, it does have some... differences. I've confirmed that I do, indeed, have the Askrock Z87 ex4, but some of the settings in the guide are not what I have.

For example, they want me to set the power to "offset mode" yet I have auto / adaptive / override. I chose override.

Anyway, I am currently running 4.2 (42 ratio x 100 MHz base) at 1.2v (core, with .005 offset). If I try to go higher my machine freezes when loading Windows. I experimented with voltage just to see if I could get it to boot to windows, but I got up to 1.45v and it wouldn't even go to bios, so I reset and backed down.

I also changed my CPU Load Line to level 3 from Auto. I haven't experimented with that causing the Windows issue. I don't know if it would.

I had absolutely no intention on maintaining 1.45v or even going above it for testing.

I was under the impression that all that you really needed to worry about was heat when overclocking, and the two factors to play with was core voltage and the CPU ratio.

My cooler is the Scythe Ninja 3. My ambients are ~30c and my temps under load at 4.2 is ~50c-60c for Large FFTs, and 80-85c (spiking to 90c) with small FFTs. I've read that most people use Large FFTs for testing load, however, as small FFT is unrealistic.

I use HWMonitor to verify the clock, RealTemp for the temps and Prime 95 for stress.

Any suggestions? Why would it freeze on booting Windows? It's not even under load!
 
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For one, you are using a guide that is not for your CPU.
2nd, It is recommended to not go over 1.3 V on air cooling, and 1.3-1.35 V on Haswell with water cooling. These chips run hot, and the more voltage you feed them, the hotter they will get.

I suggest you reset everything to stock bios settings, and try again. Really the only things you will ever need to change in order to overclock a Haswell CPU is the multiplier, and voltage. No need to mess with anything else, as it does not have much (if at all) of an effect on overclocking. Reset to defaults, set voltage to manual 1.2 V (do not use adaptive voltage when finding your overclock, and do not enter an offset), and start to raise your multiplier slowly (starting at 40-42, where you...

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For one, you are using a guide that is not for your CPU.
2nd, It is recommended to not go over 1.3 V on air cooling, and 1.3-1.35 V on Haswell with water cooling. These chips run hot, and the more voltage you feed them, the hotter they will get.

I suggest you reset everything to stock bios settings, and try again. Really the only things you will ever need to change in order to overclock a Haswell CPU is the multiplier, and voltage. No need to mess with anything else, as it does not have much (if at all) of an effect on overclocking. Reset to defaults, set voltage to manual 1.2 V (do not use adaptive voltage when finding your overclock, and do not enter an offset), and start to raise your multiplier slowly (starting at 40-42, where you feel comfortable starting) until you reach instability. If instability occurs, add 0.025 Volts, until stability is reached (keeping that 1.3 V limit in mind since you have an air cooler.)

If wanting to use adaptive voltage for less power consumption at idle/low loads (it made a whole 3 watts difference for my computer, but allowed for lower temperatures at idle) it is best to find the manual voltage needed for your overclock first, and then to change the voltage over to adaptive once you find the correct settings for your CPU. Changing to adaptive might cause a few issues though, as even with stable settings, i found instability with my system and needed to add 0.010 volts to what was needed for the manual voltage overclock.

**Edit: Once the desired overclock is reached and the system is stable, you can then try to lower the voltage slowly (if you want to). This is a long and tedious process, as instability can occur at any time, and stress testing over and over to verify the CPU is stable with the slightly lower voltage is very time consuming. (I was able to lower my voltage from 1.23 V down to 1.223 V and remain stable at 4.4 GHz without an issue. Not much of a change in voltage, but it did lower the load temps by 1-2 Degrees.)

Last but not least, the stress testing and stability programs that i recommend using. I am not at all a fan of Prime95, never have been, never will be. ASUS Realbench (http://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/) and AIDA64 Extreme (http://www.aida64.com/downloads) are the programs i use.

*ASUS Realbench is by far my favorites stress testing/benchmarking program. It uses real world applications to test the CPU and GPU in your system. This will give you a good idea of what kind of temps you can expect during rendering, image editing, h.264 encoding, and multitasking scenarios. The built in stress test will help to ensure overclock stability by using these real world applications to stress the CPU and GPU for however long of a duration you select (up to 8 hours). The only thing they could do to make this program better is to add temperature monitoring of components. When using Realbench, i monitor my CPU temperatures with RealTemp, and verify the voltage with CPU-Z.

*With AIDA64 you can get those same unrealistic temperatures that occur in Prime95 by stressing FPU, if that is really something you want to do. You can simply just stress the CPU to see what your load temperatures are without AVX instruction sets.
 
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I am adding an edit into my original post, as i forgot to mention something.

Your very welcome. I tried to include all of the information you will need to overclock your CPU. If you have any more questions feel free to post again on this same thread, and I will answer back ASAP.
 

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I do have a question, actually. You say air cooling isn't recommended even above 1.3, and that my temperatures are too high. I've been looking at the Corsair H100i closed loop system. My roommate just replaced his stock cooler with it yesterday, but they only had one in stock so I didn't get it.

It looks like it's a pretty good cooler for only $100. Know anything about it or other closed loop systems?
 

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That is the same cooler that i have on my 4770k (ended up getting it for $80 on sale @ amazon). I can give it all of the praise that i want, but high end air coolers (such as the Noctua nh-d15) perform about the same. The H100i however allows for any RAM to be installed, as RAM clearance won't be an issue. You also need to check and make sure you case has compatibility for a 240 mm radiator.

**This goes for any AiO water cooler. Although the chance is not very high, the unit can leak, or the pump can die. If the pump dies, the unit has no way of circulating the fluid, if the fluid is not circulating then it can not be cooled by the radiator and fans.

That being said, i have had mine for 1 1/2 years and have not had an issue.
 

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I saw a picture with a h100i installed in the rear of the case. Not sure if the person had to do modding on it to be able to get it to fit though. Nothing is listed on the product page for the Antec 1200 meaning they did not include radiator support.
 

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I found a post about people's many configurations. Some say it fits in the back, so I'll try that. Others take off the top fan and drill 4 screw holes. A small enough mod for me to be easily comfortable with doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzzmLbAQKNY

Simple enough, no modding needed. Interestingly, he uses the case fans as well. Hope I have enough pins! And it blocks a PCI port. I have an extra one, though.