new gaming system from novatech, Quad Core I7 4790K 4.0GHz or Six Core I7 5930K 3.50GHz

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I'm planning new gaming system from Novatech, no over-clocking and no liquid cooling, just a good conventional cooler, need some more info before i decide.
Both have pros and cons, the quad core is still DDR3, the 6 core is DDR4 and is approx £350 more, and an 8 core is an extra £372 on top of the 6 core, all motherboard options for the quad core are ones that have or support Intel's on-board/on-cpu hd graphics.
Someone mentioned to me that just the existence of this can reduce system performance even if disabled, but i've read a few articles elsewhere on the internet and some here that say otherwise.

The 'MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) Motherboard' seems to be the best of options for the quad core without spending too much. none of them support Dual Graphics both running at 16x

six core option is socket 2011, DDR4 and only has one mobo option GIGABYTE GA-X99-UD4 Intel X99 (Socket 2011) Motherboard and no on-board/on-cpu graphics, more modern hardware means more upgradable in the future, plus the option for Dual Graphics both running at 16x
The next cpu upwards for this system option is Eight Core I7 5960X 3.00GHz at £372 extra just for the CPU, no way am i doing that, i may have money to spend on it but thats ridiculous, i would rather buy a 2nd graphics card than a slower-but more core cpu (feel free to tell me if i'm wrong on this, its just a personal preference regarding spending)

So the question.... is the 3.5GHz six core and more modern technology and benefits worth the extra £350, or would i be better off with the 4.0GHz quad core and DDR3?
any input regarding the other system parts would also be appreciated.

apart from the main system variations, the rest is:
nvidia GTX 970 SC, not Super SC (bad luck with overclocked cards in the past, but nearly all are overclocked to some degree now), probably gigabyte if i get the 6 core, or msi if i get the quad core as i heard matching graphics card and mainboard manufacturer can improve stability
SATA3. crucial bx100 or bx200 500GB ssd for the OS and best games
SATA3. 2x WD red 3TB raid stripe for most other games
and an older WD black 2TB SATA2 for misc data storage that i already have
Cheapest or second cheapest Creative Soundcard
Corsair modular PSU, 1000W as i may get 2nd GTX 970 to run Dual Graphics with the six core setup.
Using novatech barebones to save some effort, no overclocking so no liquid cooling, as mine will probably leak, i often get the 'bad one of the batch', same reason for not having the latest graphics card, plus they are insanely expensive and may still be 'buggy' like new stuff often is.

 

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I personally would go with the i7 4790, its a beefy processor that should do everything the average gamer/ enthusiast should need. After that you will lose major price for performance IMO.
 

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[strike]If you have enough money to even consider buying an enthusiast 2011 socket from novatech, then save yourself some scratch, for the same money you could build a 2011 with any mobo you liked.

any i7 crossfire/sli mobo coombo if thats what you picked,

and once this was said and done you'd either save money, or have a system far more powerful for the equal money.[/strike]

just caught the barebones bit, i responded after the first paragraph :p

still, if you were going to go barebones, and get screwed on part selection, makes sense to just go all the way yourself and not be restricted in choice.
 

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my physical health isnt good, so the barebons saves me some effort and gives peace of mind that Mobo/cpu/ram have been tested before i get my hands on it, i get bad luck when building new systems from scratch, too many times i happen to have picked 1 of those 3 main parts that isnt compatible with another, or have got the bad ram module of the batch lol

although that bad luck was back when i was on a budget and using very cheap parts
 

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Well to be completly honest, the 6 core is enthusiast, the ddr4 is not standard requirements and I don't believe it will be required for a long time to come. A few years before its even the standard.

Id get the i7, your gaming 7 motherboard choice has 7.1 onboard audio, and wont be beaten by a cheap card, infact a cheap soundcard would be even worse, so save that money.

Best performance would be taking the £350 from the 2011 build and use it to buy a second graphics card, 970 sli. and maybe a high grade air cooler to OC the i7 with (not necessarry maybe just let it run cool).

Or overkill if you had the budget to sli the 6 core, get two 980's or wait a few weeks for the release of the r9 300 series + the competing 980ti to see how that effects pricing.

Of course I would be hoping you are using a nice monitor as a 60hz 1080 would be a waste with components, multi monitor or 1440 for 970's sli /single 980, 1440 multi mon / 4k for 980 sli?

Use a high quality corsair if you must but there are better PSU makers for the price.


What are your other board choices for the i7 barebone?

 

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for quad core i7, there are some good motherboard options but all are going the way of 1 graphics card runs at 16x, 2x cards both runs at 8x and doesnt get better than that, the i7 6 core has only one mobo option mentioned above, seems a good board with 2x gfx cards both running 16x

ive been doing some googling, watching some reviews and as i have the funds i think im gonna go over kill and do the 6-core base speed (will overclock and liquid cool later on in its life), just 1x gtx 970 now n get a matching one later on, like soon after if want more gpu power, or a lot later when the price drops just cos i can.
gtx 980 performance over the 970 is small, n not worth the extra (approx) £180 but 2x gtx970 is near 90-100% boost when both running at 16x, and both of them gets in the range of decent 4k gaming, which i think is worth the extra £270, not that i have a monitor for that lol (yet :D)
ty for all for your inputs :D

 

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oops forgot to mention drtoast's comment on the PSU...

these are the 3x 1000w PSUs in the changeable options, any more than that wont be needed
currently selected is the Corsair RM 1000W Fully Modular PSU
*Corsair RM 1000W Fully Modular PSU - (View Spec)
Add £68.80 inc vat
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2 Power Supply - (View Spec)
Add £77.21 inc vat
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 Power Supply - (View Spec)
Add £94.33 inc vat

its either corsair, evga or a novatech powerstation psu (further up the list, a lot cheaper) which has 2x internal 12v lines which i would prefer to avoid

the obvious benefit is power efficiency, other that i have no idea, i would prefer stability over the increased efficiency

just did a google search and there was a recall for those 2 EVGA PSU and one that i didnt copy and paste, i will have to email novatechand confirm the ones they have got havent been sitting on the shelf for that long, i doubt they have any that are that old, but best to make sure
 

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Just fyi, some 1150 boards run x16x16 thanks to Plx chips cloning the bandwidth. It's up to you what your willing to spend, if I could I totally wouldtake a 6core... But i can't xD but 970'sli will struggle at 4k for the tougher games.the sli amplifies the effect of the 3.5-0.5 vram split, if you intend to go 4k, wait a few weeks and check out what the 980ti and r9 3xx series do to pricing.