need help with the amd 9590

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

hello, i am currently trying to bulid a gaming rig, and the best options that i have over where i live is the amd fx 9590. but i've been digging around that topic, and im just getting more in doubt. what i currently have on my mind is an AMD FX 9590, an Asus sabertooth 990fx, cooler master Seidon 240M, 2 sticks of 8gigs each of ram at 1600mhz, 1tb hhd from seagate, a sapphire 7770, and a 650 modular gold certificate power supply. by doubt is, would that be able to hold the fx 9590 stable, with that gpu on that mobo, with that power supply and cooling, or do i need to go over the top for power supply and cooling?
thanks in advance
the newbie: Viciousslayer.

kwa-e · May 30, 2015

Where do you live?

You should probably step down to an FX 6300 or an i3 4150 and a cheaper motherboard and use the extra money towards a better video card, gaming performance would be much better performing as opposed to a 9590.

backoffmanImascientist · May 30, 2015

If you are stuck on 8 core AMD then I would recommend the 8350 because of lower cost, mobo cost and cooling cost - but neither are particularly good gamers compared to even previous gen Intel 4 cores.

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

i currently live in brazil which gets around 35c° on the summer, but i'd still like to keep the fx and that motherboard, if all possible. i want to know what do i need to feed the beast, ever since i believe that that cpu is more future proof, and cheaper than a mid range intel over here.

sizzling · May 30, 2015

The FX9xxx series has an awful reputation, really would avoid them

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

kwa-e :

sorry for posting this twice, im learning the means and ways around this website xD

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i currently live in brazil which gets around 35c° on the summer, but i'd still like to keep the fx and that motherboard, if all possible. i want to know what do i need to feed the beast, ever since i believe that that cpu is more future proof, and cheaper than a mid range intel over here.
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viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

sizzling :

i know, but that "low rep" made them cheap over here, so whynaut xD

holyprof · May 30, 2015

The 8350 recommended by backoffmanImascientist will give you the same performance (you will not notice the difference) on a lower price and less heat.

I was also wondering about the weak GPU in your build but it will let you play games at medium-low settings and you can replace it in the next years so no problem.

The rest of your build looks good.

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

holyprof :

the 8350 is not exactly that much cheaper over chere. it's 200 brazilian bucks. i feel like the 9590 would be a better choice ever since it's newer, and has basically double the cache size.
about the gpu, i really do plan on upgrading it on the future. is that, once again, based on next gen consoles, they have 8gigs of ram for gpu, but the pc gpu has 4gigs on a top tier graphics card.

kwa-e · May 30, 2015

I'd like to ask some questions, Should help me help you decide on which is better.

How much more is the 9590 than the 8350?

Can you get an 8350 with a decent cooler, and have it cost the same amount as the 9590?

How much is the cost of an i5 over the 8350?

If you go with an i3 or FX 6300, What video card will you be able to afford?

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

kwa-e :

200 brazilian bucks. depends on which i5, but most of them have a pretty over the top price over here. and atm im still holding some money back on the bulid, in case i need better cooling, i'll downgrade graphics, BUT, if i dont, then i'll change that sapphire 7770.

kwa-e · May 30, 2015

If you're already topping out of your budget you'll want to change to the i3 and get a better Graphics card, Gaming performance will be pretty bad on the 7770.

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

kwa-e :

i dont believe that the i3 will be as "future proof" as the fx 9590, or even the 8350. and the graphics card, i believe that most of market avaliable graphics card arent "future proof", so i plan on going with a mid/low end gpu for now.

kwa-e · May 30, 2015

Nothing is future proof.

And you'll want to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-VVBl9_2Xw

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

kwa-e :

thank you for sending that video to me. it actually cleared a lot up. but i still look up to the fx 9590 as "future compatible" because it's an octo core. and like i replied to someone else (i think), i dont think that any graphics card will be future compatible, ever since most games are based off console, and new gen consoles have 8 gigs of gpu ram, while the most over the top graphics card for pc has only 4. i dont wish to invest in a grahics card right now, ever since it's the most doubtful thing. OH, and there also is the whole mantle crossfire trueaudio VS gsync cuda cores sli nshield thing. i dont want to pick a side of the fight yet.

kwa-e · May 30, 2015

If you know what kind if gaming performance you will get out of an HD7770 you should be okay, I guess.

And I'd really just buy an 8350 and OC it to 9590 range and save a lot of money if I were you.

viciousslayer · May 30, 2015

kwa-e :

to oc the 8350 to a 9590, i first have to learn how to oc (this will indeed be my first oc able system) and i wont exactly have a warranty, ever since it's oc'd. but what do i need to power the system? xP

kwa-e · May 30, 2015

Overclocking should be completely safe as long as you monitor temperatures and keep it within safe ranges, and keep the voltages of your OC within prescribed safe ranges within the various guides here in the Internet.

You'll need a PSU to power your system, Ideally a decent 600w unit is required for the 8350, this should give you plenty of headroom to upgrade to a GTX 970 or R9 290 down the line.

IamTimTech · May 30, 2015

viciousslayer :

Please do not buy the 9590. Get the 8350 instead. It isn't worth it for an entire spectrum of reasons.

viciousslayer :

Because only a handful of motherboards readily support them. Before you make a purchase don't assume just because it is well reviewed and has beefy heatsinks the board will support your processor. Check the manufacturer website first. Also because you live in Brazil. Your house better have a fantastic air conditioning unit and your case better have every fan slot filled to keep your MOTHERBOARD cool, your 240 A-I-O will be fine for cooling the chip, but the board itself is going to get super toasty. For a third reason, there are a handful who can't get the 9590 to run stably at the speeds it comes from the factory. Your GPU is going to be a serious bottleneck to that processor while also generating a lot of heat and wasted energy. Lastly, don't mess around with a questionable power supply. I don't know what brand of power supply you can get down there but avoid cooler master as it seems PSU's from them in that region of the world tend to have reliability problems regardless of who the OEM manufacturer is. Try to get a gold rated 750 seasonic. Lastly if you absolutely insist on the 9000 series then go 9370. They have the best binning from the factory and are the same price.

Good luck man, you're gonna need it. This venture is already wasted money.

viciousslayer · May 31, 2015

IamTimTech :

viciousslayer :

Please do not buy the 9590. Get the 8350 instead. It isn't worth it for an entire spectrum of reasons.

viciousslayer :

Because only a handful of motherboards readily support them. Before you make a purchase don't assume just because it is well reviewed and has beefy heatsinks the board will support your processor. Check the manufacturer website first. Also because you live in Brazil. Your house better have a fantastic air conditioning unit and your case better have every fan slot filled to keep your MOTHERBOARD cool, your 240 A-I-O will be fine for cooling the chip, but the board itself is going to get super toasty. For a third reason, there are a handful who can't get the 9590 to run stably at the speeds it comes from the factory. Your GPU is going to be a serious bottleneck to that processor while also generating a lot of heat and wasted energy. Lastly, don't mess around with a questionable power supply. I don't know what brand of power supply you can get down there but avoid cooler master as it seems PSU's from them in that region of the world tend to have reliability problems regardless of who the OEM manufacturer is. Try to get a gold rated 750 seasonic. Lastly if you absolutely insist on the 9000 series then go 9370. They have the best binning from the factory and are the same price.

Good luck man, you're gonna need it. This venture is already wasted money.

im extremely new to this whole world of gaming rigs. i just picked the 9590 ever since it seems like it's the most bang for bucks over here, and the motherboard has that cream!x stuff, to prevent heating of the motherboard itself. it's why im making this thread. i have no idea about what's best. i just think that the 8350 looks outdated when compared to the 9590.i legit have no idea xP (post edit) it's a corsair 650 w gold,so im hoping for no problems.

viciousslayer · May 31, 2015

kwa-e :

so my corsair 650w gold certificate is good enough for the 8350 oc'd?
and newbie question, wouldnt oc'ing the 8350 make it consume more power and output more heat than the 9590?

IamTimTech · May 31, 2015

viciousslayer :

Your Corsair 650 is going to be fine for a 8350 even heavily overclocked. It probably isn't going to be good for the 9590 let alone overclocked. The 8350 and 9590 are the same age, one is just cranked up like crazy from the factory. You don't want a processor that comes from the factory pulling 220 watts, as opposed to the 8350's 125 watts. The 8350 is the better choice but honestly between the 8350 and an intel i5-4690K I would chose the i5 unless the 8350 setup is significantly less expensive.

viciousslayer · May 31, 2015

IamTimTech :

viciousslayer :

Your Corsair 650 is going to be fine for a 8350 even heavily overclocked. It probably isn't going to be good for the 9590 let alone overclocked. The 8350 and 9590 are the same age, one is just cranked up like crazy from the factory. You don't want a processor that comes from the factory pulling 220 watts, as opposed to the 8350's 125 watts. The 8350 is the better choice but honestly between the 8350 and an intel i5-4690K I would chose the i5 unless the 8350 setup is significantly less expensive.

yeah, it is significantly less expensive. im just really in doubt, like, i've seen some charts that the 8350 is basically the same wattage, but it might be extremely wrong. and isnt the 990fx motherboard basically "made" for the 9590, ever since extra cooling ceramix for the mosfet, and the 220w power support?

kwa-e · May 31, 2015

990fx boards are made to support CFX and SLI, The 8350 overclocked to 9590 range may or may not have have a tad more power consumption but the money you save is worth it.

viciousslayer · May 31, 2015

kwa-e :

it's not like it's extremely more than the 9590, ever since i planned the rig around that processor. to be quite honest im quite scared of overclocking, ever since if something goes wrong, it's my fault, i cant exactly get a new core for free. sorry if i get repetitive man xP

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