MSI GTX 960 or a R9 280 series?

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Building for a friend with a GPU budget restriction of less than £200.
No overclockability needed.
Just the ability to play modern games at 60FPS please
 
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GTX 960 beats the r9 280, 285. the 280x is a little bit more powerfull, yet needs a lot more power to do its job. if those are your choices id go with the gtx 960 for 1080p gaming.

if you want 1440p gaming you will need atleast 2x gtx960 sli for acceptable framerates (25-45fps)
 
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either way get the gtx 960. it is cheaper and better than amd products and uses less power, the 280x can beat it by very few frames and only in some games while needing alot more power for both, desktop and gaming. also the sli works really good with the 960. it will be worth more in the near and not so near future. that is why it is the better choice. the 960 phantom is silent msi is also relatively quiet. they do not get hot (max 70°C after 3 hours bioshock infinite)
 
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960 SLI isn't worth the cost, as the scaling is horrible and 2GB is a real bottleneck in this situation. If you plan on doing a dual card setup the 280 is the better choice.

If you're planning on SLI'ing the to cards saving up for a 970 is a better choice overall, And will provide you with a much smoother experience.
 
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i bet your saying that yet nevr have tried it or even had a single gtx 960. *rolleyes* if your not happy with a gtx 960, then a 280x wont make you happy either ! its the "nearly same top speed," only amd is a "thirsty piece of ... equipment ...."

the scaling is horrible ???!?!??! *that disgusts me* please only talk about thing you have knowledge of. the exact opposite of what you have claimed is fact (relative to other graphic crads).
- 2 gtx960 have 4gb vram, issueless vram. and they perform nearly as a 980 in most games. the very few games that dont support sli and crossfire are pretty goddamn old.

if you care at all about performance / cost always go nvidea, unless you have a private powerplant or grow your electricity in your backyard. calculate it. im serious.


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either listen to the guy who build budget pcs for fun and is the private pc repairman for all his friends (me)
or listen to this guy claiming false facts. either way youll end up with a decent gpu. but nvidea is actually the better overall choice for the comparison of gtx960 or R9 28XX.


 
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The R9 280 only consumes 30-50W at most at full load which translates into only an extra 5-10USD in extra energy costs, Not a powerplant and isn't too hot either.

Your fanboyism isn't helping to this thread much either.
 
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the r9 280 has 200w TDP, the gtx 960 has 120 and there are silent gaming versions. stop claiming false facts please.

having trouble with the math? no problem buddy, here ya go i even did it for you:

if 1 kwh is worth 0,25$ and you run your pc for 4 hours every day for gaming using 200w for gpu only
you will spend 20$ monthly on supplying your gpu with power.

if you had the 960 it would be 12 dollars a month for similar performance, saving you about 150$ in its lifespan compared to the r9 280.

so please finally buy one of the two and dont take kwa-e so serious, he even mistakes common sense for nvidea fanboyism.


 
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Power consumption- Take a look at the 7950 (R9 280 rebrand).

Now take a look at the 960s

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Noise, Self explanatory.

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maybe you should apply for a job instead of trolling people on the internet. just a thought, but maybe stay away from computers.

you are talking complete nonsense and i hope every 12 year old can see that on his own. please stop posting false facts, this is not facebook where people have the choice to unfriend you. it is a forum of people asking hardware related questions and seeking serious help. please just go away kwa-e, you are not helping people, you are intensionally trolling them. or you do not know what you are talking about. either way pls get lost or stick to the true facts, they are interesting enough.
 
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seriously, i dont know where you came up with this sheet and why you are sayinng that a hd7 is a r9, but just go play outside boy. leave the pc talk to people who actually can find the right charts. yours doesnt even include the r9 280, only the 280x. the 7950 and 7970 or whaterver gpu is not the r9 280. finally stop anoyying other people. i hope everyone dumb enough to like your malpractice gets a shitty hd 79XX, thinks its a r9 280 because you mentioned a rebrand (only some same chips were used) and hates you for being unneutral once they realize how fakse your claims are.

i seriously have the time, wasted it to find the sheet,.......

wow i got carried away there heres the comparison: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-960-vs-AMD-Radeon-R9-280X even you can work with this hp kwa-e. look at the benchmarks..... and they tested the 2gb version. there is a 4gb version ....

heres a link http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-280-vs-Radeon-HD-7950

this is a pc http://pngimg.com/upload/computer_pc_PNG7722.png

this is a HD 7XXX http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/7000/7900

this a r9 280 http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop/r9

heres a bird http://image3.spreadshirtmedia.net/image-server/v1/compositions/23923640/views/1,width=235,height=235,appearanceId=1/Fuck-you.jpg

now finally shut up ok?
 
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Everything kwa-e has said is in fact accurate. You are the one who has no knowledge and is trolling, along with posting misinformation. While it's ok to agree to disagree, not at the expense of make disparaging remarks to other users or accusing them of being wrong when they are in fact right. For instance, the HD 7xxx were almost ALL rebranded as R9 series cards. If you don't know or want to argue that, then clearly you're the uniformed one here and just for the record, any further nastiness from you towards other members and we'll have a serious problem requiring a permanent solution. Is that clear enough for you?


Also just for the record, the GTX 960>R9 280 and R9 280x is in most cases a better performer than the GTX 960. That's fact, not conjecture.
 
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that is just not true the way he put it. a 7950 has far less vram. it has less clock, higher tdp etc. it is a complete doover of the hd 7xxx, but it still suxx in tdp. period ask your local hardware dealer or klick on the link i supplied. im not anwsering this thread anymore. im tired of it. claim being right, tell me im wrong. to hell with it.

i hope everyone is happy with their card no matter what they think it is. but hey if you still think a hd 7 is a r9 280 then maybe checkout my old x1900xt, turn it into whatever you want.

also i wont repeat over and over. what you just claimed was stated before. atleast tell us its a quote, and quote what i said aswell.
 
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performance wise I like the 280x but its kinda big and bulky and could have fit issues in cramped cases -- compatibility wise the 960 got you covered all around -no amd card can say that these days -- so I would need a card that fits all my needs and hardware and os's its the 960 hands down

its not the most powerful but its the most compatible.. amd skips driver support for xp and vista and no new driver NVidia for the 960 its most current driver will -- little things like that can bite you in some way .. NVidia still gives you dvi-I for off the card analog support on there most powerful cards - amd does not - you will need to go buy extra crazy converter/ adaptors in the hopes it ''may'' work out

theres more to a card then just max FPS ... and for 200 bucks the 960 offers the most [opinion]
 
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Both card families have shorter and longer cards. The average lengths are actually quite similar. I posted a comparison but it didn't take and I'm not retyping it all just to prove a point. IF you compare the lengths of the Gigabyte, ASUS and MSI GTX 960 card models to many of the 280x models, they are similar enough to not warrant decisions based on length. EVGA has some shorter GTX 960 cards, true, so if that's a point of contention for you it might be a good choice. For the price, this is what I'd go with as long as my case supported it:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card (£208.41 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £208.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-26 02:56 BST+0100
 
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true - the evga card is 10,1 I think that xfx is 11.6 that extra inch can be the diff in hitting a drive or a drive bay ?? [opinion]

not to say evga is the best but they got the most compact cards, and also I did not think of the nice short single fan 960 cards at about 6.8 inches from brands as well evga - giga- zotac - asus ..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600537575&IsNodeId=1&page=2&bop=And&CompareItemList=48%7C14%2D487%2D091%5E14%2D487%2D091%2DTS%2C14%2D487%2D093%5E14%2D487%2D093%2DTS%2C14%2D125%2D772%5E14%2D125%2D772%2DTS%2C14%2D121%2D916%5E14%2D121%2D916%2DTS%2C14%2D500%2D380%5E14%2D500%2D380%2D02%23&percm=14%2D500%2D380%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24
 
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The only problem with the short cards, is they generally have no thermal capabilities for much overclocking, less cooling, and don't have identical architectures as the larger cards from the same series so performance won't be quite as good. But if you have a small case or other real estate concerns, they can be a good choice.
 
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its a tough call between the 280x and the 960 .. I would prefer the 280x, but amd and there support these days is why I headed intel and NVidia this go round .. out side of that the amd card as ''hardware'' is a nicer card - like amd drops os's support - drivers now on a 4-6 month release time frame or as needed [as like said here , example ]
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5880/amd-discontinues-monthly-driver-updates-releases-catalyst-126-beta

the only issue I have now with amd is amd.. there just in a bad rut and I hope they pull out of it some how and I always enjoyed there stuff , but today I cant see investing in them [opinion]

anyway good luck on what you decide ..
 
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