Why cant i overclock my cpu more? Im Fed UP With My CPU Now

Chaingunchris

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ive tried every voltage every clock speed up to 4.6 and voltage up to 1.325 and nothing works, i can only have 2 cores at 4.4 and 2 cores at 4.3 i dont understand. should i go out and buy a 4790K?
Tech Specs:
Intel I7 4770K OC To 4.4/4.3
CM Hyper 212 EVO
16GB Corsair Vengeance LP Memory
Z87 Plus Motherboard
IC Diamond Thermal Compound not on there for even a year yet. my temperatures are in the 70's under load at the current overclock. PLEASE HELP
 
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Research on your own is a very good thing!

I have already posted information links in this thread that you can glean everything you need to know to accomplish overclocking your CPU more, which was your thread title request.

Why cant i overclock my CPU more? I'm Fed UP With My CPU Now

Now are you smart enough to glean from that supplied information, so you can help...
Even running a CPU voltage of 1.425v on a Haswell CPU indicates you do not know what the heck you're doing!

Do you want a list of reasons holding you back?

OK first of all, How you are actually doing the overclocking in the first place?, are you using a guide? Or someone else's advice? Auto Overclocking? or Just tinkering with shots in the dark?

Then you're overclocking with a CMH212EVO using a thermal layer of IC Diamond. (How do I know it is a thermal layer? It's IC Diamond with micronized industrial diamond in it, how can it not create a layer? That's like taking 2 flat surfaces and putting a layer of uneven rock between them and wondering why the two surfaces don't ever touch each other, anywhere? It's basically the same thing with Artic Silver 5, that uses micronized silver!)

IMO the EVO is already old school and barely good enough for replacing a stock cooler for stock situations, but so many swear by that cooler and IMO it is junk! (You get what you pay for!, You pay for cheap cooling you get the short straw on results!)

You want the thinnest possible amount of thermal compound you can achieve not a layer of it, it is only supposed to be replacing the air between the microscopic imperfections of the 2 mating surfaces, the heat sink base and the CPUs heat spreader, how thin is air?

16GB of memory?

Is that 2 x 8GB or 4 x 4GB?

What speed?

What timings?

What voltage?

You could possibly be overclocking your memory and adding heat you didn't list memory speed or model #s.

What is your interpretation of under load?, running an APP, playing a game? or running stress tests?

How did you arrive at the conclusion that 70's is your under load temperature?

Do you expect us to read your mind for all the missing information to help you?
 
Overclocking 101:

First step to overclocking is buying what's needed to accomplish it!

Second step is knowing how to do it, by having a solid overclocking information foundation under you, because that way sir when you read an overclocking guide written by someone clueless you can recognize the mistakes in the guide and not use them!

Just because you discovered an overclocking guide does not mean the writer actually knew what he or she was writing about past their own overclocking experimentation, that seemed successful enough at the time to self qualify them to write the guide!

Has the guide been edited even once since it was posted?

Good writers discover additional overclocking data after the original posting and go back and edit their work so it is current and up to date?

They may need to add or remove information because they discover it is either needed or useless, someone that really cares about their shared written work wants it to be cutting edge, and guaranteed to work for you!

If a guide has not been edited since it's original posting, don't use it, find one that has!

Think about that!

Some guides are written by amazed and enthusiastic noobs because others are too lazy to do it, and they're surprised that what they did even worked?, so they thought they would share it with the world. :pfff:

They had no overclocking foundation to draw from!

There's a word foundation!

Good builders build their buildings on a solid foundation so their structures will last and stand the test of time, overclocking is the same!

You have to have a solid foundation to overclock from!

What does that mean?

According to Intel the Haswell CPU is designed to run memory speeds of 1333mhz and 1600mhz anything past 1600mhz is overclocking the CPUs memory controller and that's not a good foundation to overclock from when the overclock method is simply to increase the CPU multiplier and the CPU voltage to stabilize the overclock.

High multiplier overclock goals are impeded when they're done from and unstable memory foundation, the memory should be manually set up in the BIOS and nothing left to chance, meaning nothing regarding the memory left on Auto, and definitely not overclocking the CPU memory controller, Why?

Because it adds heat to the CPU and the Haswell is already at a disadvantage because Intel put the voltage controller on the CPU and when the voltage is increased to support the multiplier increase it adds heat.

Overclocking adds heat to the CPU that has got to be dealt with or the CPU overclock quickly reaches it's heat limitations and begins to auto throttle to protect the CPU and there goes your performance you overclocked to get.

If your overclock was not foundation stable, then you had to keep increasing the CPU voltage seeking system stability, but unfortunately you're increasing voltage on an already unstable system, and no matter how much voltage you add to that, it does not equal stable, EVER!
 
@ Chaingunchris

Now here's the deal Chris, at this point you are either highly offended, and wanting to put me in my so called place, or curious as hell?

The response from you will determine whether I stick around in this thread and I very rarely ever help someone like this!

So what do you have to say?
 

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@ 4Ryan6 I want you to stay, obivously I'm new to overclocking, I don't take offense to anything you said. It's just like I said I'm new and I tried everything I can think of the voltage of my ram is normal 1.5, the clock is 1600mhz and I have 4 4GB sticks. I need help I'm all out of options
 

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Preach, Ryan. Read this yesterday and as soon as I saw the overvolt at 1.425 I just closed out of this website.

There are so many guides, Chris. Buckle down and do your research. You really don't want to mess around with stuff that serious when you have no idea what you're doing.
 


As long as you have that attitude, I will bend over backwards to help you, and you can PM me anytime you need additional information!

That said, I want you to re-list your specs with exact brands and model #s, so I can research each components capabilities?

Keep this in mind, no matter what CPU you're overclocking you have got to keep it as cool as possible!

I am going to suggest a much better CPU cooler for you that won't break the bank, is easily affordable and will allow you to reach higher overclocks than the EVO, many don't buy it simply because they do not know it is still available, I am talking about the Thermalright TRUE, (Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme which is exactly what the Venomous SB-E is).

A high quality passive capable CPU cooler that higher RPM and CFM fans can be added to and increase it's cooling performance even further.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/thermalright-venomous-sb-e-universal-cpu-cooler.html

You may not be able to afford a new cooler I don't know that, but you'll be seriously overclock limited with what you have.

For air coolers the suggestion below is one step up better than the Thermalright but much more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...Fans-PC-Cooling_1-_-Pillars-_-Noctua-NH-D14_4

I am also going to suggest a thinner thermal compound that properly applied will out perform the IC Diamond, I know that for a fact, I've tested it myself, Artic MX-4.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N5272&cm_re=Artic_MX-4-_-35-186-038-_-Product

Now please list your specs in detail?

 

Chaingunchris

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Ok, i replaced my old thermal compund with some artic silver that i had from my dads build, and the temps are 10 degrees cooler :D
also, the cooler you showed me, its not compatible with my mb, the thermal light one, also the voltage that i have it at, is not 1.425 its 1.250
 

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is this really true? also is the hyper 212 evo really that bad? if i was going to spend some more money on a cooler, i wouldnt be able to spend more then 40-50$ on it :/ because im saving up for a 144hz asus monitor.
 

Chaingunchris

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the highest i ran the voltage was 1.325 when i was trying to OC to 4.6. also is there any coolers in the 40-50$ price range that will do as good as the ones you said, i dont want to go with a no name brand :/
 


No I am a chronic liar, Didn't you know that? (sarcasm)

If you feel you cannot trust what I am telling you, why listen?

Do I need to supply references to you before you believe me?

If I supply false information here, that is a permanent bannable offense at Toms Hardware, you would think a retired moderator would know that?

 

Chaingunchris

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hm ok, well it dosent say anything about a warranty, :/ what is the warranty, 1-2 years if something goes bad? whats the fan size? i have so many questions about it. would it help if i replaced the fans with noctua fans?
 


Thermalright is not a no name brand!

It is in the 40-50$ price range, will fit your 1150 socket motherboard and is on sale for half price!

http://www.performance-pcs.com/thermalright-venomous-sb-e-universal-cpu-cooler.html

Every hardware suggest and thermal compound suggestion I have made to you I own!

I am running 3 Thermalright Ultra 120 Extremes cooling peltiers, with my chilled water cooling system, I'm pretty sure they can handle your little CPU!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/282844-29-peltier-water-cooling

I'm approaching getting irritated with you, and when I do, we're done!

 
I'm done for today, you have not listed your specifications in detail yet, brand and model #s like I asked you to do?

Look at my CPU-Z validation to the right, that wasn't a one shot overclock attempt that's what I run every single day 24/7 and have been running it like that for a year and a half!

You can check my credentials with moderators if you like, or go straight to our Community Manager, Joe Pishgar!

Catch you Later! Ryan
 

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im sorry, im sorry. like i said im new to overclocking, i dont really know this stuff, i dont know that it wasnt a no name brand. please, i dont mean to beg but i need your help. im just wondering how much lower the temperatures would be with this cooler instead of the evo, i read the specs on the website. what are your temps?
 

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It shows his temps on his signature link. Been following along this entire time, we can't help you if you can't help us. Not trying to sound like an ass but this is all volunteer and there are many things that can go wrong. Even after Ryans last post, you still didn't post your specs. Don't blame him for you wasting his time.
 

Chaingunchris

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ok here are my specs in detail
Intel i7 4770k OC to 4.4 at the moment
16gb of corsair vengeance LP memory normal timing & voltage (9-9-9-24 timing ) (1.5 voltage)
Asus Z87 Plus Motherboard With Z87 Chipset
Gigabyte GTX 980 G1 GPU OC to 1.55Ghz
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo With 2 2000RPM Fans
Artic Siver Thermal Compound
My temps are around 64 degrees C under load on the CPU sometimes spikes up to the low 70s
Im sorry for being such an idiot. i hope i didnt make a bad reputation for myself :(
 

Chaingunchris

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im not blaming him, i dont know. im just an idiot thats trying to overlcok his CPU :( and failing

 


16gb of corsair vengeance LP memory normal timing & voltage (9-9-9-24 timing ) (1.5 voltage)

Corsair memory kit model # please?

If you don't have that information readily available it is on a sticker on the side of the modules, pull one module and see what it is, the same sticker is on each module of a matched set kit, that is assuming you bought a matched set kit?

 


You're not failing, you've already made progress and don't realize it, you changed out the Thermal Compound and have better temps now, Right!

I did not tell you to do that, I just told you about the thermal layer and you did that on your own initiative!

 

Chaingunchris

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I actually have 2 different sets of the memory so. Yeah, I'll check and see what the model # is