Likely another silly question about fans

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So, with the final purchases only about two weeks out, I've finally started getting into the more practical side of the build, or rather, making one impractical part slightly less impractical.

While I ultimately decided to ditch the NZXT and bitfenix fan controllers, I'm still tempted by the ROG OC Panel, though for the most part, it'll only be used as a fan controller itself, I'll occasionally be making use of its other features. Alternatively, there's the ROG Front Base which could more or less fulfill the same purpose.

My only concern here is that there's only 4 fan slots on the OC Panel which itself is powered by a SATA cable. I was intending to put all of the extra fans through it via splitters (a couple of these and these) for a total of 8 Corsair 120mms (a combination of AF120s and SP120s.

Since my motherboard of choice, the Maximus VII Formula has 6 PWM slots anyway, it's not really necessary and I could just use the Front Base instead for most of the same purposes. But, is consumption something I should be worried about there anyway?

-For the OC Panel itself; "-Voltage: +12V, +5V, +5VSB, Power consumption: 5A"
-Each SP120; 0.26A @ 12V (or 1.04A)
-Each AF120; 0.13A @ 12V (or 0.52A)

When powered by the Antec HCP 1000 and SATAs having something like 9-13A capacity, it should be more than plenty anyway, right?
 

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($325.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i GT 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra 0.15g Thermal Paste ($11.29 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII FORMULA ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($298.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($239.00 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tr-X OC Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred V2 ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Pro Platinum 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($52.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($26.19 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($26.19 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($19.19 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($19.19 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($19.19 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 57.2 CFM 120mm Fans ($19.19 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($0.00)
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Headphones: Sennheiser G4ME ZERO Black Headset ($0.00)
Total: $1416.26
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(The overkill on the PSU is for the future replacement of the 290x with a 395x2)
 

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Like the PSU, some of the overkill is intended for the later upgrade to the 395x2.

The remainder of the reasoning (not that they're good reasons) is a combination of vanity and proving a point to a roommate. The latter of which has been somewhat alleviated in that he finally replaced the stock cooler from his CPU with a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO and in the process of helping him install it I noticed he had taken out all of the exhaust fans I installed for him from my own case (hence replacing all of my own fans with the Corsairs) and had been running it for months with just a single front intake with the CPU and GPU fans clocked annoyingly high. So I put back in the rear exhaust after we put in the new cooler and his computer is far less airplane sounding.

Regardless, there's his tower, one more, a projector, and a PS4 regularly in use here, so going a bit overboard with the cooling, especially with these fans, is somewhat warranted.

But if the consumption is still below the max for the SATA, then all is well in my book
 

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You are correct: you can power ALL of those 8 fans from the mobo's 4-pin (PWM) fan ports, and not use the additional module for fan control. The total fan current consumption for all 8 is about 1.6 amps, with more at start-up, but that is pretty small compared to the total available from the PSU, The real limit is not that. The limit is that any ONE mobo fan port can normally supply power for up to TWO fans if you use a splitter; the limit on one port is the START-UP current for the fans, which is greater than the running current. As a precaution, I'd suggest putting the four AF120's (with their lower current consumption) on two mobo ports using two splitters. However, that may depend on which fans you want to have controlled by which mobo sensors.

What do I mean? Any mobo fan port, when set to use automatic control, uses a temperature sensor built into the mobo by its manufacturer and compares a real measured temperature to a target. It then alters the fan's speed to bring that measured temp to the desired setpoint. (Note that, although modern fans provide a speed signal output sent back to the mobo for monitoring and display, the automatic temperature control systems do NOT use that signal to achieve control.) On many advanced mobos now, the maker has built in more than one temp sensor and assigned certain ones to be used by certain ports. Some even tell you in the mobo manual where those temp sensors are and allow you to make your own assignments of which sensor guides which fan port. So YOU may need to do some arranging of sensors and ports, and that will impact your choices of which fans can be combined on one port using a splitter. If necessary, I'd expect it would be acceptable to combine one SP120 and one AF120 fan on one mobo port using a splitter, but I'd try to avoid two SP120's on one port.

For this purpose, you need a couple of 1-to-2 splitters specifically for 4-pin (PWM) fans. For example,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423160&cm_re=4-pin_fan_splitter-_-12-423-160-_-Product

Note this unit has Pin #3 of ONE of its output connectors missing. This means that the speed signal from only ONE of the two fans is fed back to the mobo for monitoring, which is the correct way. (The other fan's speed simply is not monitored at all.) A splitter should not feed two different speed pulse signals into one mobo port, for that will cause the speed measurement system to become confused and generate false readings.

Setting the BIOS to use automatic control for all fans via mobo ports means you do not have to check and adjust fans manually all the time, and it's probably better than any manual fan control system. In fact, if you think you need different cooling from what the mobo's automatic systems provide, probably you will find that each of the automatic control systems can be custom-tuned rather than using the initial settings provided in BIOS,
 

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Alright, since the SP120s are 3 pin anyway, would there potentially be any problem setting them to automatic while using the splitter? A cursory look over the ASUS/ROG forums have pointed out issues with this version (on the Maximus VII Formula) of the UEFI BIOS and incorrect fan speeds with 3 pin fans while using automatic control.

That was the main impetus behind using the ports on the OC Panel instead for manual control; though I suppose I could just use the ports on the mobo and do manual control from there (maybe? I might have to ask that one in particular on the ROG forum)
 

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OOOPS! Problem - likely. I did not realize that your SP120 fans are 3-pin type. In fact, as I check around, I find confusion! The Corsair website seems to say both the AF120 and the SP120 are 3-pin fan designs, but I also found retailers claiming some are 4-pin. Maybe there are several similar fan names with different specs? Check yours carefully to be sure.

Now, the problem is that normally any 3-pin fan plugged into a 4-pin port will ALWAYS operate at full speed. The mobo's automatic control system cannot change the speed of 3-pin fans on a 4-pin port. If that is your situation, you cannot use those fans connected to any mobo 4-pin port and expect speed to be controlled. You would be forced to use the auxiliary controller.

Now, there are exceptions, and you should check your mobo's manual carefully for any notes about this. SOME mobo fan 4-pin ports can be configured to operate EITHER as 4-pin ports (also called PWM Mode) OR as 3-pin ports (also called Voltage Control Mode). In fact, a few are even so "smart" they can figure out which fan type has been plugged in and make that adjustment automatically. BUT many mobos with this feature provide it ONLY on the port(s) used for the CPU_FAN cooling, and not for the CHA_FAN or SYS_FAN ports. So, check your mobo manual and see if it is possible to make your 4-pin CHA_FAN ports work as 3-pin (Voltage Controlled) ports that can control your fans' speeds.
 

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So I dug further and there is a good solution built into your mobo.

In your mobo's manual, p. 3-46 there are details of configuration of your 6 mobo CHA_FAN ports. ALL of them it appears, can be configured manually in BIOS Setup to use either PWM Mode (4-pin fan) or DC Mode (3-pin fans). Set them to DC Mode. (On the previous page you'll see that similar setting options are available for the two CPU_FAN ports.) Note also that you may need to set the temperature measurement probe used for such automatic control. The manual says it is set by default to CPU (which is odd, since we're talking about case fans), and you should ensure it is set to MB (motherboard temp sensor) for the 6 CHA_FAN ports. If you set this way, all your mobo CHA_FAN ports can be used to power and control automatically your 3-pin fans.

Since you have 3-pin fans, the splitter you need is not the one I posted earlier. Here is a sample of a 3-pin fan splitter (12" leads) that does the "only one fan speed connected" thing properly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423169&cm_re=3-pin_fan_splitter-_-12-423-169-_-Product

I note the mobo specifies that each fan port can supply up to 1.0 amps for its connected fan(s). Thus, even if the starting current for each fan is double its running current, you could put two of any of your fans on one port using a splitter.