Mini ITX $1000 Build

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Hello users of Tom's Hardware! :)

My friend Ethan is looking to get a gaming/workstation/editing pc to use over the summer and he has two people on the job, me and another friend that I haven't met before. He only has a couple of requirements, that it is about $1000 and that it is small, and needs wifi connection. It needs to have the horsepower to play games, as well as do some rendering in After Effects, or some editing in Vegas Pro. This has turned into a competition between the two of us as to who can come up with a better build for Ethan. I suggest that we should use some graphics card and he tells me why another one is better. He doesn't want to do any overclocking on anything, so I came up with this build:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/F9QsrH
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/F9QsrH/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Directron)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($110.82 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($112.86 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($52.67 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.68 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card ($359.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($38.36 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: *EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($60.61 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1030.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-03 10:51 EDT-0400

It feautures a Xeon EX-1231 V3 processor, and an EVGA FTW ACX 2.0 GTX 970 all in the cute little button that is the Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Case. I am fairly proud of this as a got all of these feautures together with a motherboard that has integrated WIFI, an SSD for boot, and a fully modular power supply (usefull when squeezing in to a small case). First of all, is there anything you would change in this build, or will it not fit together in the case? Any recommendations such as those.

Secondly, the other friend is stuck in the mindset that the higher the clock speed on a graphics card, the higher the performance is. His build features an i5-4690k and a GTX 960 with a higher clock speed than the one I chose (the highest clocked gtx 970). I am having trouble convincing my friend Ethan that my build obviously has much more performance because his build is essentially decked out with all of the other components because of how much little money is spent on the GPU and CPU, while mine only houses average parts for other things. He has things such as a platinum certified power supply, an insanely expensive wifi adapter, higher speed, lower latency ram, a 250 GB SSD, some crazy watercooler for the cpu, but he told Ethan it is useful even if you aren't overclocking the cpu, etc. How do I prove that my build is obviously superior performance-wise? I only really care because I want my friend to get the best performance for his work, but he is essentially being brainwashed. The other friend even wrote an essay why his is better than mine! Can anyone find any benchmarks that will prove him wrong, or how I could explain that clock speed =/= performance? Thanks for the help!
 
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No need for the Z97 board. Go with the H97 version. Show the friend benchmarks showing the superiority of the 970 vs the 960. There are plenty of reviews out there. For workstation/editing use, you want the extra threads of the Xeon, as those programs are multithreaded. All the high end Intel workstations use lower clocked Xeons with higher core/thread counts. Maybe that would convince him on that front. I would build it something more like this. I actually used a similar combo, for a friend, awhile back.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($241.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard...

logainofhades

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No need for the Z97 board. Go with the H97 version. Show the friend benchmarks showing the superiority of the 970 vs the 960. There are plenty of reviews out there. For workstation/editing use, you want the extra threads of the Xeon, as those programs are multithreaded. All the high end Intel workstations use lower clocked Xeons with higher core/thread counts. Maybe that would convince him on that front. I would build it something more like this. I actually used a similar combo, for a friend, awhile back.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($241.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.15 @ Amazon)
Total: $1005.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-03 11:17 EDT-0400

 
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I would personally go for an i5/i7 over a Xeon. Xeons can't be overclocked and the only real advantage is the extra threads but you trade those for a dip in RAM performance as you can't use speeds beyond DDR3-1600 and you also lose the onboard graphics which aren't really useful to begin with, but if something ever goes wrong with your GPU it's a good thing to have this as a diagnostic tool.

This is how I would do a mITX build for ~$1K:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($100.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($101.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1032.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-03 11:25 EDT-0400
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($100.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($334.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($71.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1016.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-03 11:44 EDT-0400
Id do something likme this
 

bennyd87708

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I don't know how you managed to change it to get a 240 GB SSD AND make the whole build $30 cheaper, but I really appreciate your help, as well as giving a suggestion that didn't change the whole build! Just one question, I watched a video tutorial for choosing the right motherboard and the guy (JayzTwoCents) said that he always prefers to go with the latest chipset. Is there any performance difference when using H97 over Z97? If not, why is it cheaper than Z97?
 

logainofhades

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A Xeon is better suited for the tasks at hand, though. Also the one user does not want to overclock. For a workstation/editing PC, that also games, Xeon > 4690k. I somehow missed the Sony Vegas part, so I would actually go with a an R9 290/290x, as AMD does far better, than Nvidia, when it comes to Sony Vegas, and you are not losing much gaming performance vs the 970.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($241.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.45 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tr-X OC Video Card ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case ($42.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.15 @ Amazon)
Total: $988.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-03 12:08 EDT-0400