Suitable motherboard for 980 Ti? Advantages of expensive motherboards?

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I have a 290x with an ASUS B85-m Micro ATX Motherboard.

If I were to upgrade to a 980 Ti and i7-4790k, would I need a motherboard upgrade as well? What is the point/advantages of doing so?

The only advantages of expensive mobos that my non-expert eye can see is the amount of components it supports, for example, supporting multiple GPUs, high amounts of RAM and RAM slots etc....and of course things like build quality. If I don't require that do I need a better one?

I realise this sounds very very noobish. That's because I am very very noobish. :)
Thanks for all responses :)
 
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If you're going to keep the B85, please don't buy the 4790k. It's designed for overclocking which can't be done on a B85. You truly are flushing $30 down the drain.

The purpose of the B chipset is for business solutions. The H chipset is designed for home use. The Z chipset is for extreme users that want to overclock and/or have multiple graphic cards.

For what purpose are you pursuing the i7? There are a few games that the i7 outperforms an i5. Now if you simply have the money to spend, I'm cool with that.

Note: Purchasing a new motherboard may require a new Windows key.

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there is a line where the price gets a bit over the top, the PCIe slots for example, on a £80 you get one at x16 and 2 at x8 while on a £170 you get 2 x16 and 2 x8 so you get a marginal performance increase in 2 way crossfire or sli, overclocking can be easier on the more expensive boards as the bios tends to be a lot nicer to use, little things like fan headers, my brothers board has 2 including the cpu fan, while something like the ROG crosshair has 8 i think off the top of my head, if you plan on staying with 1 GPU then you can stick with your current board as they are compatible however it doesn't support SLI, however you can crossfire if you get another 290x
 

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there is a line where the price gets a bit over the top, the PCIe slots for example, on a £80 you get one at x16 and 2 at x8 while on a £170 you get 2 x16 and 2 x8 so you get a marginal performance increase in 2 way crossfire or sli, overclocking can be easier on the more expensive boards as the bios tends to be a lot nicer to use, little things like fan headers, my brothers board has 2 including the cpu fan, while something like the ROG crosshair has 8 i think off the top of my head, if you plan on staying with 1 GPU then you can stick with your current board as they are compatible however it doesn't support SLI, however you can crossfire if you get another 290x

If you're getting a 4790k, I'd definitely advise a z97 motherboard in order to make use of the overclocking potentional

So if I get a 980 Ti, i7 4790k upgrade I could stick with my B85 if I'm not planning to overclock.
If I get a Crossfire 290x, i7 4790k upgrade (which is a possibility as well) I need a Z97 to support Crossfire.

Is this about right?
If so, how much performance increase does overclocking bring?
 

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your board supports crossfire as you can crossfire using PCIe x4 slots, while SLI needs a x8 slots per card minimum, but ya I would get a better board anyway for the overclocking.

the performance gain from overclocking depends on how far you can go, cooling tends to be a limiting factor, as your CPU will get hotter the more you overclock
 

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Partspicker says it doesnt support SLI or Crossfire?http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-b85mg
And I have a CPU cooler so I should be ok on the cooling front.
 

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If you're going to keep the B85, please don't buy the 4790k. It's designed for overclocking which can't be done on a B85. You truly are flushing $30 down the drain.

The purpose of the B chipset is for business solutions. The H chipset is designed for home use. The Z chipset is for extreme users that want to overclock and/or have multiple graphic cards.

For what purpose are you pursuing the i7? There are a few games that the i7 outperforms an i5. Now if you simply have the money to spend, I'm cool with that.

Note: Purchasing a new motherboard may require a new Windows key.
 
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quote from ASUS site "Multi-GPU Support - Supports AMD Quad-GPU CrossFireX™ Technology"
which is odd cause it only has 3 slots but those 3 can all be used for a 290x
 

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Yeah I get that now haha.

This is only a theoretical build which will be purchased in a year at the earliest (I have no money at the moment and my current build is actually relatively new). And I've been told the 4790k is the gaming CPU to go for, and is the optimal choice if I'm powering a 290x Crossfire or 980 Ti (or maybe a 300 series) build.

About the Windows key: why is that?
 

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this is very true, I always forget they count as 2 cards :p
 

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Is partspicker reliable?
 

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Will do, thanks for the heads-up.
(You can overclock RAM?)
 

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in this case, I guess not, it always helps to read around and no just get one piece of info, but I would trust the people who make it over a site designed to find the cheapest place you you to buy it :p
 

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you can but it doesn't make a massive difference when gaming, more for editing purposes.
 

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If that's the case, there's honestly no reason to discuss this. In a year Nvidia and AMD will probably have another GPU generation out and Intel will have Skylake out. I.E. Nvidia 1000 series (or whatever they call it) and AMD r9 400 series (or whatever). Intel will probably have released to more series being Skylake-E and Skylake.

However as it stands, an i5 can support dual SLI/CF without issues. An i7 has some advantages in recent games.

Depending on the version of Windows you have, the key may be tied to the motherboard. If that's the case, you will not be able to transfer the key to a new motherboard. Thus you will have to buy a new key.
 

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Yeah that's logical haha :) thanks for the clarification. PP.com scared me when buying my build when it claimed my GPU wouldn't fit in my case (it updated this after I'd bought it)...turned out it fit perfectly
 

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Any information is useful information though, especially for a relatively new member of the PC community like myself, right?

How would I find out if my OS is tied to my mobo?
 

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Yeah, I think so. They're also not as expensive as I expected
 

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Mmm, that depends. When you're going to buy a car, you don't ask questions about last year's models. You get the information about this year's models. You're technically looking for research about information that's going to be invalid in 8 months. And even then it's a stretch. Not to point out a fault, but someone recommended for you to buy a Z97 board for upgradability. What ability? This year (July 29th) Intel is releasing a new CPU and socket and when that happens, the Z97 is dead. A 980 ti will still be available and could still be the flagship GPU for Nvidia. A year is a long time in the tech world. Many things change, but there have been some recent (4+ years) consistencies.

For gaming, an i5 is the best CPU for the price. Few games actually benefit from an i7. i7's are typically sought out for streaming, rendering, compression and tasks that can utilize HyperThreading.

For 1080p gaming, a 970 GTX or r9 290 are perfect for maxing out games. For higher resolutions or games that use mods, cards greater than those two may be necessary.

For power requirements, a 550-600 watt PSU is needed depending on the developer (Nvidia/AMD). Nvidia's current generation uses much less power than AMD's 200 series. For multiple GPUs, you're looking at 750 watts as a minimum power requirement.

When buying RAM, buy pairs unless you purchase an Intel-E CPU/motherboard. Buy pairs to retain Dual Channel configurations, unless you buy Intel-E where a kit of 4 sticks should be ordered for Quad Channel. Don't mix and match RAM. Buy pairs. Right now 8GB is a sweet spot for minimum amount.

Depending on desires, buy B chipset for business or low budget builds; H chipset for home use; Z chipset for overclocking and multiple GPU solutions. Typically, the more power phases there are supplying power to the CPU, the better overclock can be achieved. If you want to overclock, buy an aftermarket cooler.

A good starting SSD size is 250 GB. It's possible to go less, but 10-15% needs to be reserved for SSDs to operate. Do not fill up an SSD. Also, only install programs that benefit from the added speed. If the program doesn't benefit from the speed, don't install it on the SSD. Example: Some video games do not benefit from the fast load times.

Depending if you purchased a Retail or OEM version of Windows can affect key usage. OEMs are typically tied to the motherboard, thus non transferrable (this may have changed in Windows 8.1). Windows Retail versions can be transferred to another machine and in some scenarios, a single key can be used on 3 machines (Windows Pro).

Those are some of the consistent trends there have been over the past few years. Anyone giving advice about what to buy a year from now, isn't bad advice. It most likely won't apply. I would ask specific questions (like in your post) about the 1-2 months before you purchase the build. I'm sure much of this information will change.
 

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Thank you for summarising the world's info for me haha :)
GPU / RAM / low end CPUs I do know about already as I extensively and pretty obsessively researched them all for months before I built my first PC a couple months ago. But when it came to motherboards for some reason I just blanked it as "get the cheapest option" and let others choose for me - hence why I asked questions about them in this thread; I'm genuinely just interested as it was the one thing I feel I don't know about competently, and I enjoy gaining knowledge whether it be for purchasing or for advising others. So I thought the best way to retrieve information (other than online reviews/tutorials) was via real people's opinions, which is what I got............that's just the reason behind this thread really. So thank you for clearly explaining the MOBO hierarchy, it is useful to me even if it may not seem so :)

 

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No problem. The best thing you can do is just read threads. I mark many threads to simply read them and do some follow up research.