Need a second set of eyes on this build and also have a question

kpelkey151

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So with this build I do have a few concerns. Mainly is there enough bandwidth with the PCIE 2.0x16 for the GTX 750? Will there be any performance lost(What if I bumped to the GTX 750 Ti)? Secondly is the PSU powerful enough for the build? Does it have all the needed cables that would be needed for the Mobo, GPU, ect..

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

~Keith

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TbWmhM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TbWmhM/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-ITX/WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($66.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($57.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Pipeline HD 500GB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.95 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 2GB SuperClocked Video Card ($122.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Azza Z Mini ITX Tower Case ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply ($25.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GTB0N DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($85.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $649.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-22 10:05 EDT-0400

 
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Faster CPU, bigger power supply, larger/faster hard drive, cheaper memory, and your GTX 750Ti.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ B&H)
Case: Azza Z Mini ITX Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power...

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Faster CPU, bigger power supply, larger/faster hard drive, cheaper memory, and your GTX 750Ti.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.75 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ B&H)
Case: Azza Z Mini ITX Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($32.42 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG GTB0N DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $699.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-22 10:28 EDT-0400

Slight compromise with the GTX750

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M-ITX/AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 1GB Video Card ($103.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Azza Z Mini ITX Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply ($25.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GTB0N DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $657.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-22 10:31 EDT-0400
 
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kpelkey151

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Thank you for the comparison build. I will have to look into the faster CPU and GPU since it is only marginally more expensive. It is good to know that there will be plenty of bandwidth for the GPU also.

The one thing I worry about with going with a larger PSU is that it might burn up the wire in the case. I read a review on the case and the user said that the wire running from the outside to the PSU burned up when he was using a 900W supply (This case provides a connector cable to get to the PSU since it is not directly on the outside). He said stay in the 300-400 range.
 

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No problem.

That is the most ridiculous advice I have ever heard. First off, the power supply must meet the demands of the system. And the power supply rating does not directly relate to power consumption. If I install a 300W supply with a 25W load, it will deliver 25W and pull approximately 30W from the wall. Secondly your average AC power plug, in the US, is rated at 10A (1200W), UK is similar at 240V, so the amps is less, but the overall wattage is the same. Unless this person was using a damaged or improperly constructed cable, there is little risk in causing a fire. For more extreme power supplies (above 1000W) you should use the included cable which will likely have a rating closer to 15/30 amps.

Now some of these cables do have built in fuses, and they should fail when overloaded, which is intended. Also means something like a power surge through the line or a short inside the computer occurred.
 


PCIe 3.0 video cards going into a PCIe 2.0 slot generally only lose 2% to 3% of the performance that they would get if they were in a PCIe 3.0 slot. Normally, that is 1 or 2 FPS, so its a very minor concern.

Now on to the power supply. The I5-4430 CPU has a TDP of 84 watts. Just to be way on the far side of safe, I generally give a 200 watt figure to the entire system, minus the video card. The EVGA GeForce GTX 750 2GB SuperClocked web page says that it pulls 55 watts. So we have reached a 255 watt total draw.

I found one review on that power supply from a site that I trust while they generally liked the power supply, they said that it does have short cables. That may not matter in an ITX case, since it is small too.

I would like to suggest one upgrade. If you can afford it, move up to at least the 750Ti. It does cost a little bit more, but it also has a little bit better performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/11

You're going to have a nice core system here. The video card will be its weakest point. But those are easily upgraded later on too.