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AMD FX-9590 vs Intel core i7 4790K
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The i7 is much better. It consumes less than half of the power of the FX, it can process the same amount of threads with superior single-thread performance, and it has much better overclocks. Even factoring in cost, the i7 is better. While the FX is cheaper, it requires an expensive motherboard, power supply, and cooling to keep it running.
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i7 hands down. AMD's FX chips just can't compete with the current crop of i7s.
The FX 9000 series use a stupid amount of power and create a stupid amount of heat for what little performance advantage they have over the 8000 series.
The FX 9000 series use a stupid amount of power and create a stupid amount of heat for what little performance advantage they have over the 8000 series.
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The i7 has far better performance, lower heat output, half the power usage. Because the ipc is so much higher for intel, an overclock on the i7 is much more significant even if the frequency seems slower. Most 9590's are already pushed to the max by amd out of the box and have very little overclocking headroom. They have heat issues and require the top end amd motherboards in order to run anything close to stable. If you're considering the 9590 you may as well just get an 8320/8350 and overclock it, it's the same thing as a 9590.
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the intel is faster straight up but is more expensive
the amd is "good nuff" for alot of things especially if you multitask and is cheaper.
depends if you need the CPU power more get the intel, if your looking to save some money to move up from a GTX960 to a GTX970 get the amd and spend the difference on a better GPU, bigger faster SSD that will give you the most bang for your buck
dont listen to fanboys of either side a properly built pc is both cost efficient and tuned to its users needs.
to give you an honest reference on the 9590 tho this is what mine does with a 360mm x 60mm full copper rad
http://valid.x86.fr/vr4cyg
5ghz across all eight cores fully stable 1.404v temps are between 30c-50c even on a hot day.
it maxes out around 5.3ghz im sure i could go higher but i am wary of pushing it past 1.5v
from what ive seen of anecdotal evidence (looking at overclocks on forums and such) the 9590 will hit 5 ghz at a lower voltage and cooler temps than the fx 8350 and it will hit it more reliably too with a proper setup.
both seem to have an average "maximum" oc of around 5.1 but some just fx8350's wont break 5ghz however most will easily hit 4.8 so you can make a pseudo "fx-9590" out of an 8350 fairly easily.
the amd is "good nuff" for alot of things especially if you multitask and is cheaper.
depends if you need the CPU power more get the intel, if your looking to save some money to move up from a GTX960 to a GTX970 get the amd and spend the difference on a better GPU, bigger faster SSD that will give you the most bang for your buck
dont listen to fanboys of either side a properly built pc is both cost efficient and tuned to its users needs.
to give you an honest reference on the 9590 tho this is what mine does with a 360mm x 60mm full copper rad
http://valid.x86.fr/vr4cyg
5ghz across all eight cores fully stable 1.404v temps are between 30c-50c even on a hot day.
it maxes out around 5.3ghz im sure i could go higher but i am wary of pushing it past 1.5v
from what ive seen of anecdotal evidence (looking at overclocks on forums and such) the 9590 will hit 5 ghz at a lower voltage and cooler temps than the fx 8350 and it will hit it more reliably too with a proper setup.
both seem to have an average "maximum" oc of around 5.1 but some just fx8350's wont break 5ghz however most will easily hit 4.8 so you can make a pseudo "fx-9590" out of an 8350 fairly easily.
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The AMD 9000 series chips aren't cost-effective at all though. They require such high power draw, PSUs, beefy motherboards, and cooling solutions that they just don't make sense.
"Cost effective" would be an i3, i5, or AMD FX-8320/8370 build that can overclock to decent performance levels, and are much less of a power hog/space heater for about the same performance as the 9000 chips.
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@ Dudeman509 above i have used a kill-a-watt a the wall, and i can say you are misinformed or just way off base.
my idle consumption drops as low as 180 watts my highest draw while gaming is 380 watts my full system load all eight cores, gpu hard drives, ssd everything is......... 422 watts peak with overclocks applied.
when i drop to stock speeds and undervolt the cpu to 1.35v i stay under 400 watts even under full system stress.
my full setup is
System
AMD FX-9590 OC'd to 5 ghz at 1.4v http://valid.canardpc.com/vr4cyg
ASUS SABERTOOTH AM3+ Rev 1
32GB GSkill 1886 (4 dimms)
GTX-660 (unlocked and oc'd to 1200mhz core and 1700mhz mem)
FSP Aurum Gold 850 watt (which means im getting around 90% efficiency in the 400 watt range)
1 SSD
2 7200 RPM 2TB Seagate HDD
modded TT water 2.0 pump with 360MM x 60mm full copper rad and res.
high end motherboard, a "burn a hole in your wallet 9590", mid range GPU, fully populated ram slots with multiple drives+ CPU and GPU OC's
422 watts.... also go check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeeGHozSY0
edit just counted, thats with 8 120mm case fans and 2 140mm case fans.
my idle consumption drops as low as 180 watts my highest draw while gaming is 380 watts my full system load all eight cores, gpu hard drives, ssd everything is......... 422 watts peak with overclocks applied.
when i drop to stock speeds and undervolt the cpu to 1.35v i stay under 400 watts even under full system stress.
my full setup is
System
AMD FX-9590 OC'd to 5 ghz at 1.4v http://valid.canardpc.com/vr4cyg
ASUS SABERTOOTH AM3+ Rev 1
32GB GSkill 1886 (4 dimms)
GTX-660 (unlocked and oc'd to 1200mhz core and 1700mhz mem)
FSP Aurum Gold 850 watt (which means im getting around 90% efficiency in the 400 watt range)
1 SSD
2 7200 RPM 2TB Seagate HDD
modded TT water 2.0 pump with 360MM x 60mm full copper rad and res.
high end motherboard, a "burn a hole in your wallet 9590", mid range GPU, fully populated ram slots with multiple drives+ CPU and GPU OC's
422 watts.... also go check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeeGHozSY0
edit just counted, thats with 8 120mm case fans and 2 140mm case fans.
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...my FX-8320 w/ GTX 970 idles @ 87W with a crappy 80+ PSU.
And gets by just fine with a cheap air-to-air cooler.
Again, bang-for-the-buck, the 9000 series slots in somewhere near the bottom because of its power draw/heat.
And gets by just fine with a cheap air-to-air cooler.
Again, bang-for-the-buck, the 9000 series slots in somewhere near the bottom because of its power draw/heat.
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I was making fun of intel fanboys that say lower power consumption is the reason you should go with intel, lol I guess their worlds will crubmle when they find out that skylake has a higher TDP.
I know amd is very very good bang for buck, no intel cpu gets near amd cpu's in that department
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Depends how you look at it. Intel has a CPU that equals or exceed the performance of AMD at every price point, or for marginally more. It makes NO sense to buy any AMD CPU if you have no intention of overclocking.
8320 will run around $160. The 4460 is a mere $5 more. Unless you OC, the 4460 is its equal or better in basically every way. And OCing has its cost in power usage sure, but more in the heat produced and the noisy ass stock cooler, which is a hidden added expense in the sense that you will need an aftermarket cooler to quiet it down and do a decent job of cooling. Let’s say you pick up a Hyper 212 EVO on sale for $25. Now your 8320 is $185.
8350 is $180, 4590 is $185.
6300 is usually about $110. 4160 will beat it in many things at roughly the same price and the 4360 will beat it in basically everything at $130 - $140 (just get an i5 at this point IMO)
There are only two/three AMD CPUs I ever recommend and they all come with two caveats: you are doing something that requires or can otherwise make use of 4+ cores and you intend to overclock. Otherwise, AMD will be equaled or lose to Intel at every price point (or +10% max).
860K – if you need a true quad because a G3258 just isn’t enough but you can’t afford an i3. You still should OC it as much as you can get away with.
FX63xx/83xx – if you are going to OC the nuts off of it and you are doing something with decent multicore optimization (bear in mind that you may end up with aftermarket cooling at stock as well since the stock coolers are very noisy)
8320 will run around $160. The 4460 is a mere $5 more. Unless you OC, the 4460 is its equal or better in basically every way. And OCing has its cost in power usage sure, but more in the heat produced and the noisy ass stock cooler, which is a hidden added expense in the sense that you will need an aftermarket cooler to quiet it down and do a decent job of cooling. Let’s say you pick up a Hyper 212 EVO on sale for $25. Now your 8320 is $185.
8350 is $180, 4590 is $185.
6300 is usually about $110. 4160 will beat it in many things at roughly the same price and the 4360 will beat it in basically everything at $130 - $140 (just get an i5 at this point IMO)
There are only two/three AMD CPUs I ever recommend and they all come with two caveats: you are doing something that requires or can otherwise make use of 4+ cores and you intend to overclock. Otherwise, AMD will be equaled or lose to Intel at every price point (or +10% max).
860K – if you need a true quad because a G3258 just isn’t enough but you can’t afford an i3. You still should OC it as much as you can get away with.
FX63xx/83xx – if you are going to OC the nuts off of it and you are doing something with decent multicore optimization (bear in mind that you may end up with aftermarket cooling at stock as well since the stock coolers are very noisy)
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"How do you figure 95% efficiency?" was a typo should have read "90%" thanks for catching it.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fsp-aurum-pro-850-w-power-supply-review/7/
my source
"How much did your water cooling setup cost, it sounds interesting."
originally I brought a Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme for my Phenom II 965 (hit 4.5 with that bad boy in the winter ^_^) that i got for $110 on newegg.
Over time I added a reservoir ( http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Tank-water-cooling-reservoir-with-temperature-sensor-5-25inch-bay/1664147957.html ) to the loop just for lulz and cuz i didn't trust that whole "sealed unit" thing (i still don't). I had set it up so water went from the res->pump->rad->res. i payed about $15 for the res+shipping.
I mounted the res in my Corsair Vengeance C70 at the very top of the 5.25 bays under the outer shell, drilled a hole in the top right and took a small rubber sheet and cut a hole where the res cap was, glued the res to the rubber and the rubber against the case for a good seal. now i can fill my loop from the top with a fill cap (an oil funnel still helps alot) (random rubber sheets from work sites freebie)
when i got the 9590 ($160 on the egg on black friday) i splurged and picked up this. http://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/12386/aquacomputer-airplex-modularity-system-360-mm-copper-fins-one-circuit-stainless-steel-side-panels. and just tied it in and mounted it vertically in the front of my case, removed the old rad.
I paid $180 (shipping included) for my rad on black Friday.
I have had to cut out almost all of the 5.25 drive bays and remove the hard drive racks to fit the rad in the front as well as drill holes for the rads screw mounts. eventually i may try to mount one of the hard drive cages in the bottom middle but atm my hard drives are just mounted between two rubber sheets and stacked vertically between the side of the radiator (at the front of the case) and the case panel. my SSD is screwed down behind the back panel as well near the motherboard edge.
the plan is whenever 4K gpu's are available for around $200-$300 i will be picking up one or two of them, installing water on them and tying them into my radiator which can connect 3 concurrent ins and outs altho im either going to have to drill extra ports into my res or get a new one. also really looking at those 8TB HDD's (mouth waters) i want to eventually grab a couple and set up a hardware raid with a UPS.
also ive spent around $50 on fittings and tubing and i run 30/70 mix of anti-freeze/distilled deionized water.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fsp-aurum-pro-850-w-power-supply-review/7/
my source
"How much did your water cooling setup cost, it sounds interesting."
originally I brought a Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme for my Phenom II 965 (hit 4.5 with that bad boy in the winter ^_^) that i got for $110 on newegg.
Over time I added a reservoir ( http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Tank-water-cooling-reservoir-with-temperature-sensor-5-25inch-bay/1664147957.html ) to the loop just for lulz and cuz i didn't trust that whole "sealed unit" thing (i still don't). I had set it up so water went from the res->pump->rad->res. i payed about $15 for the res+shipping.
I mounted the res in my Corsair Vengeance C70 at the very top of the 5.25 bays under the outer shell, drilled a hole in the top right and took a small rubber sheet and cut a hole where the res cap was, glued the res to the rubber and the rubber against the case for a good seal. now i can fill my loop from the top with a fill cap (an oil funnel still helps alot) (random rubber sheets from work sites freebie)
when i got the 9590 ($160 on the egg on black friday) i splurged and picked up this. http://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/12386/aquacomputer-airplex-modularity-system-360-mm-copper-fins-one-circuit-stainless-steel-side-panels. and just tied it in and mounted it vertically in the front of my case, removed the old rad.
I paid $180 (shipping included) for my rad on black Friday.
I have had to cut out almost all of the 5.25 drive bays and remove the hard drive racks to fit the rad in the front as well as drill holes for the rads screw mounts. eventually i may try to mount one of the hard drive cages in the bottom middle but atm my hard drives are just mounted between two rubber sheets and stacked vertically between the side of the radiator (at the front of the case) and the case panel. my SSD is screwed down behind the back panel as well near the motherboard edge.
the plan is whenever 4K gpu's are available for around $200-$300 i will be picking up one or two of them, installing water on them and tying them into my radiator which can connect 3 concurrent ins and outs altho im either going to have to drill extra ports into my res or get a new one. also really looking at those 8TB HDD's (mouth waters) i want to eventually grab a couple and set up a hardware raid with a UPS.
also ive spent around $50 on fittings and tubing and i run 30/70 mix of anti-freeze/distilled deionized water.
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Microcenter has had the FX-8320 for $119 for over a year now; that, coupled with a $47 GA-970A swayed me in that direction.
MC's Intel chips start @ ~$160 for the 4590 - I don't think they sell the 4460.
TBH, if I was planning on spending upwards of $150 on a CPU, I'd definitely go Intel.
Here's hoping Zen is something worthwhile.
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I discount Micro Center in the same way I do Fry's. Their best deals are in store only and most people don't have one around. Great deals if you do however.
I long for the days when AMD had a competitive product. As I said in a different thread, hopefully Zen will be a home run for them but at this point, both they and we will probably settle for a ground rule double.
I long for the days when AMD had a competitive product. As I said in a different thread, hopefully Zen will be a home run for them but at this point, both they and we will probably settle for a ground rule double.
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