Questions regarding my PC build

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I will be building a computer with the following specs:
CPU: Intel i5 4690K
GPU: EVGA GTX970
RAM: Patriot 8GB Viper III DDR3
Motherboard: Gigabyte GAZ97X-UD3H-BK (rev 1.0)
Power Supply: EVGA 650GS 80 PLUS GOLD
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro Full Tower Chassis
Operating System: Windows 7 64bit Professional

I am planning to cheap out on a SSD, how much of a difference will it make for daily tasks and gaming?

Also what performance would I get out of this system when playing games like GTA 5, Far Cry 4, COD Advanced Warfare, etc?

Lastly, I was planning on getting a Thermalright Macho Rev. B CPU Cooler, but I cannot find a website to purchase it off which will deliver to Australia. Will the stock Intel Cooler be suitable? Or can you recommended a more sufficient cooler, fan preferable.

I will be using a external DVD Drive to install windows, I won't be installing a DVD drive into the system.

I will be putting all my money into this, so I want it to last me a while, so tell me if I can improve in any way. Without blowing my budget of $2000 Australian.
 
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Well firstly the SSD, an SSD will improve launching program speeds, boot times, reading and writing speed and generally improve the speed of your computer. It won't do much in games apart from maybe allow them to save slightly quicker, but if you're like me (a person who likes quick boot times) then an SSD is for you. After I bought my SSD my pc booted in around 20 seconds from the first screen.

You will get great performance whilst playing those games listed. The GTX 970 is perfect for 1080p and you should be able to max out most of those games and still get over 60 fps.

Finally I have sticked with the Intel stock cooler with my overclocked Intel i5-4690k and it's never gone above 65 degrees! You can buy another cooler, but for me...

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Well firstly the SSD, an SSD will improve launching program speeds, boot times, reading and writing speed and generally improve the speed of your computer. It won't do much in games apart from maybe allow them to save slightly quicker, but if you're like me (a person who likes quick boot times) then an SSD is for you. After I bought my SSD my pc booted in around 20 seconds from the first screen.

You will get great performance whilst playing those games listed. The GTX 970 is perfect for 1080p and you should be able to max out most of those games and still get over 60 fps.

Finally I have sticked with the Intel stock cooler with my overclocked Intel i5-4690k and it's never gone above 65 degrees! You can buy another cooler, but for me the stock cooler is fine at the moment.

Hope this helps :)
 
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Yes it most certainly helps, I thought a SSD would help with games, that's why I was going for a large capacity SSD, would you say use a very small SSD like 32 - 64GB for the OS and various files and save all the games and large files on a HDD?

I think I will stick with the stock cooler, does it come with thermal paste pre applied?

Is their any games it won't play?
 
I'm just the opposite. An ssd is the last on my to do list. Even for an os drive you'll want a 120/128gb model. 240/256gb models of the same drive generally have better performance. Aside from initial boot speed, program launch times - unless you're doing heavy i/o disk transfer activity (which most people aren't) the ssd doesn't do squat for fps. They're still pretty pricey for the size and current games are quite large. Many are 50gb+ in size. Factor in some 'breathing' room, you don't want an ssd filled to capacity. Since it's unlikely to fit very many games on an ssd (that's affordable to most, 256gb or smaller), say you use an ssd for the o/s and hdd for the games. You're right back where you started and games won't load any faster.

My personal experience, ssd's are nice. I wouldn't say don't get one at all. If on a budget, I'd budget it last. I upgraded a workstation from an hdd to ssd for o/s and applications. It's a little faster booting, as in only by a few seconds. My other rig which runs only a 7200rpm drive boots full to desktop from full 'off' (hard boot) in 8 seconds or less. I see the desktop in around 5-6 seconds. Large programs like photoshop and illustrator load a little faster, but I don't sit there loading and closing and reopening programs all day. I open them and use them. Most typical user activity calls to the drives in small bursts, which means the significant sustained file transfer speeds aren't that noticeable. If they are, someone's probably using a bunk hdd. The biggest performance boost I saw was loading windows itself, it loaded much faster during installation and the unpacking of files. How many times does someone install their o/s on a regular/normal use basis? The performance of an ssd isn't terrible but had I not gotten my 240gb on sale for $60 I likely would've felt ripped off. It's just not the night and day it's made out to be, at least for the work I do. If someone was using multiple ssd's and using one as a source disk and the other as an output for video transcoding, it might make more impact.
 

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Scrap my last post

I figured out my self that the cpu includes thermal paste, I was being lazy.

I have decided to go with a Crucial MX200 500GB SSD and I decided to also get a Optical Drive which is a Samsung Drive.

But could you still please answer my question regarding games that it won't play, I don't imagine that their is games that can't be played, but I am just checking.
 

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Alright then, that was very helpful. When you put it that way, I see no point in using a SSD. I have decided to use a 3TB HDD and I needed to delete the SSD from the budget, so I could add a PCIe Wireless Card, as ethernet is not an option.

I will be using a ASUS PCE-AC56. Will this card perform well. Or should I go for the Tri Band Version?
 
It should play most all games well. The 4690k/gtx 970 is a pretty powerful gaming combo. There's no way to say it will absolutely play all games well. Many newer games are being released full of glitches and bugs and poor optimization requiring a lot of patches. In those cases, there are brand new games that run like crud on any machine. I've seen cases where the i7 4790k with gtx 980 with 16gb of ram play a poorly coded game horribly. It's not always the fault of the hardware, so regardless how great the machine is if the game itself is a disaster upon first release it can still run badly until patches (hopefully) fix the problems.
 

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Wait what. You removed an SSD because of what this guy said. An SSD is a great purchase for a build. Most people use SSDs now because they are much faster than HDDs. Also they're slowly getting cheaper and will soon be even faster. I don't think you should have removed this of your list, you're making a huge mistake.
 

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This is another vote FOR an SSD. People are perfectly entitled to their opinions. Mine is strongly in favor of an SSD. My last machine had an SSD and I currently do not. The responsiveness and general quickness of the machine was night and day and the last machine was an Athlon 860K based machine. My i5 with a standard WD Blue (Not a bad HDD at all) is not as quick to react when I go to open programs or when accessing or writing data (Which I do a lot of). Does my current machine play games better than the last? Absolutely and the HDD doesn't affect it, but the other machine was snappier out of games. I feel that an SSD is almost a staple in a higher end build.

We just ordered and assembled a NUC DN2820FYKH for the lockroom machine. We put a single 8GB Crucial 1600Mhz SODIMM and Crucial BX100 120GB drive in it. Even with it's dinky little celeron processor and single channel memory it's still super snappy because of the SSD.

 

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I completely agree with you. I prefer an SSD a lot and if you compare a HDD to an SSD you can quickly tell the difference. Especially if you get an amazing SSD like the Samsung 850 EVO.
 

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Thanks. In all honesty I only had a Kingston 120GB SSDNow V3 (one of the least favorite SSD's) and I freaking loved it. I only load my OS's on brand new hard drives and even my brand new WD Blue still just isn't as quick as my Kingston was.....

When you are getting any reliable SSD. Crucial, Samsung or Intel you aren't going to notice the different speeds. But when you compare any of them to a traditional drive you will notice the difference. I recommend to stay away from brands like OCZ, PNY, Sandisk and other cheaper SSD's because the longevity isn't there and losing your whole O.S. drive is a pain in the ass. I would use Kingston SSD's and I am happy with them but I don't recommend them to others. Go crucial or Samsung, whichever is cheaper at your chosen capacity.

Also. DON'T get odd increment large capacity storage HDD's such as 1.5, 3, or 5TB drives. They are less reliable. Go 1, 2, 4, or 6TB.

 
I wasn't saying not to buy an ssd, just relating my personal experiences. Advice is free from me lol, I just think it would be a better upgrade to save for the end of the budget. Here's one comparison of ssd vs hdd.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2048120/benchmarks-dont-lie-ssd-upgrades-deliver-huge-performance-gains.html

Most are comparing an ssd to 5400 rpm drive similar to the old ones found in laptops. Their dekstop test was a seagate 7200rpm drive. According to their numbers, boot time dropped from 62s to 23s with the ssd. Really? Who here has an hdd that boots in 62s unless it's circa 1990? 23s for an ssd? My 7200rpm hdd wd re4 boots faster than 23s on a cold boot. Less than HALF that time actually. So I find comparisons like these totally dubious.

Unfortunately this post gets a bit heated so ignore that. It's nothing more than the experience of yet another individual who used an ssd and in real world day to day usage found little improvement using the ssd over the hdd. As in is it better? Maybe..is it 'rock your world' different? Not so much. This person's using a samsung 840. Mine is an ocz vector 150 240gb with similar results. (Note that newer ocz drives are owned by toshiba and not the same problematic issue they once were).
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2323632

Other mixed experiences
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/832424-new-ssd-drive-not-much-faster.html

I watched a youtube comparison showing over 60s for a cold boot off an hdd, of course they used a 5yr old seagate. Maybe wd re4 drives are just faster hdd's? All I know is a cold boot doesn't take me nearly as long. Anything would likely be an improvement over a junk hdd taking that long. For someone like myself who isn't doing heavy i/o activities or rebooting all day long, makes little to no difference. My pc hardly gets turned off (no reason to). For sporadic use of a laptop it makes much more sense. When I open programs, I use them. I don't open/close, open/close, open/close all day long. My biggest performance bottleneck was ram limitation using photoshop/illustrator and bridge when ram usage was constantly pegged. If using up all the ram and hitting the hdd for swap file use of course it's going to bog down the pc. Does that mean it needs an ssd? An ssd would help but realizing the issue was ram running out, increasing ram to 16gb was much more beneficial (and cheaper).
 

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And I was certainly not discrediting your opinion, it's a valid one because the HDD actually doesn't serve in game performance. The only reason I say that it isn't an end of budget item is because if you get it later then you have to save your data, and then reload your whole operating system again, install all of your drivers and programs and so on. Other than that it's a coin toss.

 

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I think that I will still stick with an SSD, I can see your opinion, and agreed with it for a short period of time, but I do like to do a lot of work on my PC besides games.
 

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I am considering saving a bit of money on the windows 7 by using a copy of windows 7 professional that came with my one of my family member's computer, do you reckon that their OEM copy will work with my new PC?

I could imagine that this is illegal?

Also currently on my budget pentium computer I am using a double adapter to power the monitor and computer, is this bad practise?

Should I used some sort of surge protected power board for my new PC?

Also last question, my current monitor has a maximum resolution of 1680X1050 with a refresh rate of 5ms. Would this work well, or do I need a 1080p monitor. It should work better with games, Because it would be lower resolution?
 

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Well you can move the Windows 7 to your computer, but you would have to wipe the other computer's drive and possibly phone Microsoft. If you do it like this it's not illegal. However this will only work if that computer didn't have Windows 7 when it was bought, Windows 7 must be installed from a disc I mean. Finally there are 2 types of Windows 7 discs you can buy, one which means you can reinstall it on another motherboard and the other which has to stay with that one motherboard to work. I have a feeling that the OEM copy cannot be used on a different computer, so you would need to byu another Windows 7 disc.

Next a double adapter should be fine, as long as it is a reliable brand and doesn't overheat. They can cause fires because of overheating. I normally use 2 extension cables, one for my Computer and Xbox plugs. Once I turn the Computer switch on (on the extension cable) then the other extension cable turns on and my monitor, speakers and computer all turn on at the same time. Hopefully you understand what I mean.

You could use an extension cable which is surge protected, this would be safer. But it's not neccessary, it's good to use one though.

Now finally the monitor. First of all the refresh rate isn't 5ms, that is the response time of the monitor. Your refresh rate should be anywhere from 30-60Hz depending on how old the monitor is. If it's not 1080p and you have a 970 then you need a new monitor. For games unless you have a really bad or really good GPU you don't run games at under 1080p and above 1080p. Also yes your games will be faster, but they will look terrible and having a monitor under 1080p is a waste of a 970 so try to save up for a decent 1080p monitor.

Example of a good 1080p:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-GL2460HM-24-inch-Multimedia-Monitor/dp/B00AQBWMZ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435211809&sr=8-1&keywords=BenQ+GL2460HM

This is my monitor which I have had for above 2 years now, it is a great 1080p 60Hz, 2ms response time monitor.

Hope all of this helps :)



 

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Yes, that does help. :)

The copy of Windows 7 is not on a hard drive, but on a DVD. It states on the DVD that it is only for distrubution on with a new Com1 PC. The computer that came with had it installed on it at purchase. I was able to install it on my cheap computer, I have yet to try and validate.

By extension cable do you mean power board?

If I am able to remove Windows 7 from the list of things to buy, I can probably buy a monitor. I can afford it either way, but I would like to have some money spare.