Which upgrade for less than 600?

the3holepuncher

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I had 4gb of ram go bad recently, out of my 8gb total, and while the manufacturer is willing to replace under warranty, it got my thinking. I built my pc in fall 2012, and realize I'm getting to the point where updating a few components should put me higher on the performance curve again (as in: my pc performed with the best of them 3 years ago, but is struggling with newer games).

Also of note, I went the AM3+ path, because I was expecting more from AMD in the desktop CPU market than they've actually produced(I took price over piledriver because the performance justification wasn't there, but they haven't updated since the fx-9590, which I'm considering as an upgrade, but I don't want to buy a new cpu only to have them change socket on me on the next desktop release)

Reason for updating: wanting faster pc for gaming and 3d editing/modeling (I'm a wannabe independent game developer)

Budget: less than 600 preferably, not including shipping/rebates.

Timeframe: by end of 2015

Preferred purchase method: Newegg.com or bestbuy.com
Overclocking: maybe mildly
SLI: potentially
Monitors: 2x Asus vs247HP, with a samsung s24c230bl sitting in a box, could potentially be added in the future. All are 1080p monitors

Current Setup:

Case: CM 690 II advanced case with stock fans plus a few extra cm blade master 120's added(have spare bm 120's as well)

Mobo: Asus Sabertooth 990FX gen1(not the R2, etc) AM3+ socketed

CPU: AMD FX4170 quadcore

CPU cooling: CM Hyper 212 EVO with 2fan push/pull setup

Ram: Team Dark 8gb (2x4gb) DDR3 1600 (came with the mobo as a packaged deal, currently only 1 stick is working though)

PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance

GPU: MSI 660ti 2gb OC edition

Storage: ocz vertex 4 128gb , plus a used 200gb and 80gb HDD from other pc's
And a DVD burner, as well.

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I REALLY don't want to replace the Mobo at this time, so no "just swap mobos and go intel" please. I am considering swapping to a liquid cooled fx-9590, but that's 2 year old tech, and I'm also kind of holding out in hopes that AMD will pull their head from dark and remote places, and release a newer chip on the AM3+ socket. Also of note, I spent months researching the AMD cpu's etc, but know next to nothing about intels products(naming conventions, etc.). Not saying a swap isn't completely out of the question, but it's my least desirable option at this time.

I have some thermal space available, so considering either a second 660ti in sli(could be had for less than 200 used from a reliable dealer on ebay), or upgrading to a single gtx 970 OR 2x gtx 960 in sli(less than desirable, since from what I can tell a second 660 ti would have better performance than 2 960's in sli), or if I'm doing no other upgrades, a single gtx 980(not ti until the price drops). Problem is, I get the feeling that I'm going to bottleneck on my cpu while upgrading the gpu,

I'm also considering upgrading to either 16 or 32gb of ram, and adding another SSD and HDD(not much room for apps after the windows 7 installation on the 128gb)

Basically I'm trying to figure out what will give me the most bang for my buck, though I prefer to NOT upgrade with tech that is already dated(such as the fx-9590), because I want any upgrades I make to make the pc last another 3+ years. I'm also fully aware that I could put together a Haswell-E machine(barebones, and likely using the GTX 660ti from current machine) for just a few hundred more, and turn this pc into a home server.

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I know I've probably rambled through this a bit, and I now have more questions than when I started typing this out. I guess my biggest question is, does my am3+ socketed pc still have room to grow, or am I essentially topped out techwise, and in need of building a new pc(which would be disappointing, because I originally intended this to be a 5 year machine, and it feels like I'm got the short-end from the cpu manufacturer, since I originally based my plan on their released architecture schedule which they have NOT been keeping up with for desktop am3+ solutions).

 
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Intel's consumer chipset is H97. Its overclocking chipset is Z97. H97 and Z97 support the same socket( LGA 1150 ) but one is overclockable. Its enthusiast chipset is X99. X99 uses LGA 2011-3. Strongest in each socket is 5960x for 2011-3 gaming, Xeon e5 1299 for 2011-3...

the3holepuncher

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Which is really frustrating, because I bought into the socket just as the second generation chips (piledriver) were coming out, and there were so many promises that we would have future support through 2016 (if I remember correctly), with newer and better chips every year or so.
 
Amd will not be releasing new Chips for that socket.

So i'm suggesting this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290X 4GB Direct CU II Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $582.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 00:17 EDT-0400

Basically an i7 4770, its great for gaming and rendering alike. Everything else looks like it will be able to be used again.
 

iPaperKillz

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I too agree that AM3+ is a dead socket. I suggest going with an Intel upgrade path. I suggest going with a good unlocked CPU like the 4690K now as it will last you for the next 2-3 years as you can overclock it and going with a bang-for-the-buck GPU now and possibly upgrading it to something higher end later (maybe when you have another $600 :)). Plus, remember you can sell your old hardware to make the upgrade a little less wallet taxing or repurpose your old hardware as a secondary machine or a machine for a relative that doesn't need the highest end pc. Choose the R9 380 variant you want as they are exactly the same price and both are good.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card ($203.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $599.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 00:19 EDT-0400

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($203.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $599.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 00:22 EDT-0400
 

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A 380 is a R9 285 rebrand. I included a Z97 mobo because you should upgrade to a 4790k/4690k later. An i7 is really just an i5 with a higher clock and HT which is useless for gaming. A 4690k is like 3 fps behind a 4790k in most cases.
 

the3holepuncher

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The problem I'm running into with understanding Intel's products at this point, is it seems like they have so many sockets/chipsets out, but they all seem to have similar naming conventions. Which is the current tech, what's last gen, and what's just old? And what's the current socket, or are they supporting more than one current socket? It's confusing to me, since I'm used to how AMD did things, which WAS one socket at a time, with a linear naming convention.
 

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Intel's consumer chipset is H97. Its overclocking chipset is Z97. H97 and Z97 support the same socket( LGA 1150 ) but one is overclockable. Its enthusiast chipset is X99. X99 uses LGA 2011-3. Strongest in each socket is 5960x for 2011-3 gaming, Xeon e5 1299 for 2011-3 workstation, 5775C for 1150. But the one on Haswell is 4790k for gaming and workstation, and 4690k is a little worse than a 4790k as it has a lower clock but similar IPC but the main difference is i5s have against i7s are I7S HAVE HYPERTHREADING (see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnS50lJicXc) AND I5S DO NOT. The best bang for the buck cpu on intel is the 4690k.
 
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the3holepuncher

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So, what you're saying is that an i7 is preferable to an i5, if I will be doing anything multi-threaded(which I generally do), and that the 97 chipsets, on the LGA1150 as well as the LGA2011-3 are both current sockets, but with different markets (high-end enthusiast vs everyone else).

Is the Haswell-e socket then a bit of a one-off/standalone, or are they moving to it for everything in the next year?(As in, the Geforce Titan being a standalone, while the current in-series is the 9xx cards)

Or, after looking into it a little more, since I'm planning over the next 6 months, should I be watching the skylake stuff, and going with that over a Haswell refresh?
 

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Intel has always had an enthusiast LGA 2011/2011-3/775 socket since the first core i5/i7/i3 series came. Intel will not merge everything to 2011-3. BUT 1150 will be a dead socket as it is said that Intel Skylake will NOT use 1150. I would just get a 4460 and an z97 motherboard so when you upgrade to an unlocked lga 1150 cpu you can overclock WITH an aftermarket cooler. Skylake will not have a big performance increase( they have not made a real improvement since Sandy Bridge as a 2500k is only a little worse than a 4690k) If you need multi threaded performance just spend extra, get a 5820k, a good x99 mobo, and a GTX 970 for cuda stuff. So my point is Skylake is not worth it, x99 is good if you are doing lots of multi threaded stuff, and the mainstream and enthusiast platforms will probably stay apart.