Budget Rendering System ? I7 vs Xeon / GF vs R9

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I'm a third year architecture student and I'm stuck with how far should my budget go for building a decent PC for CAD work and 3DS Max Rendering.

I've bought a DELL M3800 with i7 cpu, 16GB RAM, Quadro k1100m 2GB but I'm not satisfied. It's a pain to work with especially with CAD. I'm also using Lightroom (works fine) Photo Shop (works fine) and don't play games (I've got a few and they play flawlessly). I know I'm still learning the software and with better skills will make more use of it but everybody's telling me to invest in a good PC even though I'm not rendering a lot. The Lapotp scored 549 cb ( followed by 350 cb twice ) and OpenGL 47.19 fps on Cinebench R15.

How much faster can I go with a PC ?
I was reading a lot and still can't decide should I throw a sh*t loads of money on a PC or save themfor my Master's degree

However if you advise me to go with a PC my point of view is either going for:

1) overclocked i7 hexa core (4930k vs 3970x/ 5820k vs 5920k) , 16 GB RAM (32 GB maybe?), Samsung SM951 256 GB M.2 x4 SSD + 1 TB HDD and no idea what GPU ... Top class GF, middle class Quadro or Radeon .. !?

2) invest in dual CPU motherboard and start with a good single CPU XEON (xeca or octa core) with else as the mentioned above.

I don't think that either way it will be a budget PC, but I'm willing to invest in even better parts if I can make use of them in the near future ... I'm sure many of you've been on the same way so I believe you can help me narrow my options.
 
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Getoiu,

There have been some very good suggestions so far and I'd only like to suggest a different approach from building a system.

An architectural system, because there is both 3D modeling and rendering, needs to have high performance in every subsystem- a fast CPU for 3D modeling, as many cores at a high speed as is practical, a fast workstation GPU for Open GL applications, and plenty of RAM for big files, and etc. 3ds Max is very demanding.

My solution for a limited budget is to upgrade a Dell Precision T5500 or better, a T7500 which can use a pair of Xeon X56xx CPU's.

I have two systems for architectural / industrial design work:

HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM >...

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I would say a Xeon 1231v3 with at least a Quadro K2200. Should be a good middle range system, to get you by until you are making more money.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($117.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro K2200 4GB Video Card ($429.00 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1204.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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For the option 1 I've estimated about £1250 (mentioned parts only if the GPU is in the £600 range). I'm not sure how much power I'll need in the near future, but say up to £ 2000 for CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard and SSD (would spend more if I justify the cost).
 

logainofhades

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Same system, with different ram, but in UK currency.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£196.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£87.56 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£118.01 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£93.74 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro K2200 4GB Video Card (£389.94 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case (£52.45 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer (£12.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1066.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-07 17:20 BST+0100

5820k option
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (£274.74 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£93.59 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£158.39 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory (£120.98 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£93.74 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro K2200 4GB Video Card (£389.94 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case (£52.45 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer (£12.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1312.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Thanks. I've got a mid tower case and bunch of decent CPU and GPU fan coolers. I will use them and once I have the parts I can test them and if the temperatures are in order I'll have saved £150-200 and say get a second GPU or better CPU ... motherboard etc.
 

logainofhades

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Not just any CPU cooler will be good enough to handle a 5820k, so be careful. Same goes for case, if it cannot support the cooler you ultimately need, it isn't going to do you much good. Next best GPU would be the K4200. The 1231v3 comes with a stock cooler, and is sufficient for it. A K4200 option, leaving you with your current mid tower case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£196.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£87.56 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£118.01 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£93.74 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro K4200 4GB Video Card (£753.68 @ Misco UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£64.98 @ Novatech)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer (£12.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1378.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-07 17:35 BST+0100
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor (£274.74 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£33.74 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: EVGA Classified EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£314.39 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£124.48 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£132.89 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£32.40 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£32.40 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: ATI FirePro W7000 4GB Video Card (£539.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case (£85.93 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX XTR 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£86.94 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£10.06 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1667.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-07 17:34 BST+0100
 

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I didn't expect to receive such a strong backup on the i7 side. I thought the opinions would be in favour to dual CPU's and 8 or more core systems.
 


+1; This is a very solid rendering/workstation system for under 2000 quids!
 

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Well I can't invest in a dual CPU system, but can afford to get a dual socket motherboard and run single CPU for now to allow a future upgrade.
I'm rendering with Mental Ray and as far as I'm aware it's not using the GPU at all.
If I can find a cheap (or free for students) GPU renderer then I presume if I can fork out £750 for Quadro K4200 then a GTX Titan X 12 GB would be a better option.
Am I wrong ?
 
Getoiu,

There have been some very good suggestions so far and I'd only like to suggest a different approach from building a system.

An architectural system, because there is both 3D modeling and rendering, needs to have high performance in every subsystem- a fast CPU for 3D modeling, as many cores at a high speed as is practical, a fast workstation GPU for Open GL applications, and plenty of RAM for big files, and etc. 3ds Max is very demanding.

My solution for a limited budget is to upgrade a Dell Precision T5500 or better, a T7500 which can use a pair of Xeon X56xx CPU's.

I have two systems for architectural / industrial design work:

HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > Logitech z2300 > Linksys AE3000 USB WiFi > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 / OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

Pending upgrade: HP /LSI 9212-4i PCIe SAS /SATA HBA RAID controller, 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB (RAID 1)

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) (Revised) > Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Linksys WMP600N PCI WiFi > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3490 / CPU = 9178 / 2D= 685 / 3D= 3566 / Mem= 1865 / Disk= 2122] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 772 / OpenGL= 99.72 FPS] 7.8.15

With a Quadro 4000 the 2D=684 and 3D = 2000, with a Quadro K4200, 2D = 683 and 3D = 4708

Pending upgrade: PERC H310 PCIe SAS /SATA RAID controller, 2X WD Black 1TB (RAID 1)(Converts disk system from 3GB/s to 6GB/s

The results from these systems is quite different, but the HP purchased today would cost more than six times the amount spent on the T5500. And the T5500 has to potential to produce a quite a bit higher CPU score in Cinebench as I can add a 2nd Xeon X5680- this requires a CPU / Memory / Fan riser- about $120 in the US, another X5680- about $200, and three PC3-10900R (that= DDR3 1333 ECC registered) modules to populate the riser. The T7500 riser has 6 RAM slots.

The reason the T5500 can best the HP z420 in the CPU test is evidenced by the results for a pair or Xeon X5650' s. The X5680 is 6-cores / 12 threads @.3.33 / 3.6GHz and the X5650 pair is 12 cores 24 threads @ 2.66 / 3.06GHz. Still, the Cinebench CPU score of a pair of X5650's is 1279 - as compared to the 1014 of the single E5-1660 v2. This means that for rendering, the slower but more-cores of the X5650 will be an advantage.

My recommendation is then, that you consider buying a Dell Precision T7500 and change the specification to: 2X Xeon X5680 (6-core A 3.33 / 3.6GHz) or X5690 (6-core @ 3.47 / 3.73Ghz) , 48+GB RAM ( the X58 chipset uses memory in sets of 3) so the 12 motherboard slots as 12X 4GB = 48GB + the riser slots as 6X 4GB or 6X 2GB. The GPU I recommend is the Quadro K2200 (4GB) which are being sold used in the US for about $300-350.

If the budget is very tight, the system can be done with a single CPU, 24GB RAM and a Quadro K620 (2GB). The K620 has a performance somewhat better than a Quadro 4000 (2GB). The K1200 is Displayport only but with 4GB has a quite good performance- in the Quadro K4000 category.

Then add an SSD of 250 or 500GB for the OS /programmes in one partition and a partition for active files and a 1TB maech’l drive for storage, media, and separate partition for a system restore image.

When the system is up and running, add a PERC H310 PCIe SAS/SATA RAID controller and this will convert the system form 3GB/s to 6GB/s.

This sounds a bit of a fuss, but I think it’s still easier than researching, ordering, assembling, configuring, and testing a new system.

When I bought the T5500- which cost $190 including shipping, it was:

Dell Precision T5500 (2011) (Original): Xeon E5620 quad core @ 2.4 / 2.6 GHz > 6GB DDR3 ECC Reg 1333 > Quadro FX 580 (512MB) > Dell PERC 6/i SAS /SATA controller > Seagate Cheetah 15K 146GB > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
[ Passmark system rating = 1479 / CPU = 4067 / 2D= 520 / 3D= 311 / Mem= 1473 / Disk= 1208]

The revisions I made: CPU /RAM /GPU, and Disks cost about $800, so the total is under $1,000.

And if I had to, I could have loaded programmes and used it as is- that is, been back to work in two or three hours, then when the new CPU or GPU arrived, plug it in and the system is never out of use more than an hour or so.

Anyway, that’s an alternative option to lead to a dual CPU system with very both good 3D modeling and rendering performance that a single CPU system can not equal- and for not a large amount of money.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

-ex Architectural Association, London
 
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I meant Titan Z (used in warranty), sorry. I understand the majority of people are moving to the newest GTX series (780,980 etc.).
 

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So I've got a few very different opinions so far. To conclude the topic and narrow my choice would ask - how stable are dual CPU systems and how does multi-core processors with lower clock speed compare to the lower core overclocked ones ?