Upgraded graphics card but not a noticeable difference

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

I recently upgraded from a
Nvidia gtx 760 sc/w acx cooling 2gb to an
MSI gtx 970 gaming 4g
I have seen a 5 to 10 fps difference in my games and still getting frame drops. I am aware of the 3.5 gb limit and have not exceeded that amount.

JonoSchoeman · Jul 23, 2015

what's your system specs? maybe your cpu is bottlenecking

sizzling · Jul 23, 2015

Did you remove the old gpu driver and then do a clean install? If no then do this.

sizzling · Jul 23, 2015

Also have you changed the game settings or allowed the Nvidia tool to reset all the optimum settings since you put your new card in?

Also what fps are you getting? Do you have v-sync on and what is your gpu usage during game play?

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

My system specs are
I5 4670 3.4ghz
Seagate 1tb hard drive
16gb ram

I removed the old gpu and did a clean install.

Some examples of this is gta 5 i get sometimes 30 to 65 fps never stays above 60 for long at one point the game was getting 17 fps.

Gpu usage is 70 -90 percent.

sizzling · Jul 23, 2015

What settings are you running in GTA V, are they the same settings you had when you used the 760?

azca · Jul 23, 2015

upgrade to AMD, not nvidia hypetrain. aka 970 is more power efficient (less W, less heat, less noise), not much faster than 760 OC.

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

Your CPU and RAM are great. What is your PSU mfg/model/wattage? Probably isn't related, but just being thorough.

In order to make sure that drivers are solid, I suggest: uninstalling drivers -> reboot -> install drivers only (not Geforce experience) -> reboot.

Then verify driver date/version: <windows key> + R -> devmgmt.msc -> <double click> display adapters -> <double click> GTX 970 -> drivers [tab] -> What is driver/date?

Check cpu core temps and utilization during gameplay. Download MSI afterburner or whatever utility you prefer. What are core temps and utilization percentage?

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

Report back your findings ASAP. If temps/utilization you report back are normal and driver uninstall/install doesn't change outcome, then I would recommend that you update your motherboard BIOS. If you need help tracking them down, post your motherboard mfg/model and I'll help you look online.

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

Done on MSI Afterburner
At the same graphics as the 760 i get 59-60 fps
my gpu temps are 57 - 61
cpu temps are 56- 58
cpu usage is 70 - 80 percent
gpu usage is 60 - 70 percent 3200mb

At max graphics(with advanced graphics all on) v sync off iget 50 - 60 fps
pu usage is 80 -90 percent 3330mb
temps are the same for cpu and gpu
cpu usage is past 90 percent

I have done a clean install twice and still no difference.

driver date is june 17 2015

My bios is up to date but thanks for offering.

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

Hmm.. I re-read this thread three time to try to determine what I'm missing. Your GPU temps and utilization are good. You CPU temps are good, although I'm somewhat surprised that your CPU utilization is above 90%. I honestly would have guess that it would be lower.

Question: When the CPU usage is above 90% what are the precise CPU core temps at that time? I just want to be absolutely sure that it isn't throttling, causing a degrade in your gaming performance. Sorry to ask you a question that sounds redundant.

* Two things occurred to me, as I have hands-on experience with the 970 and not the 760 SC: (1) Either that going from a 760 SC to a 970 is a lateral upgrade. I wouldn't think that this is the case because the 970 is listed three tiers higher on the Tom's Hardware graphics card hierarchy list. Or (2) the 760 SC either came with an incredible overclock, or you personally overclocked it further in the past, close the performance gap between the two cards. Can you increase the core and memory overclock on the 970 and see if that helps? I would leave the voltage alone.

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

At 90% it is at 61°c never past that.
Also sorry I forgot to mention what psu I have the thermaltake tr2 700w.
I never overclocked the 760 i had the same lag problems on that card too.
Actually in gta 5 self radio which plays music from my computer it cause alot of lag and bring the cpu usage to 100%.

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

"Actually in gta 5 self radio which plays music from my computer it cause alot of lag and bring the cpu usage to 100%."

So that phenomenon is the same result as throttling. The 100% cpu usage would definitely degrade your FPS. What are the FPS if you don't use the "self radio"?

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

The fps when not using self radio is 50 -60fps but it is never a smooth 60 fps when driving it stutters alot it was the same with my 760.

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

I assume that your music is stored on your Seagate 1 TB hard drive. Perhaps there is a moderate latency due to HDD fragmentation. Proposed solutions:

(1) defrag hard drive with Defragger (http://filehippo.com/download_defraggler/), (2) move music to a RAM disk; you have 16 GB of RAM, or (3) move music to a SSD. Option #1 and #2 are free =>

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

I have tried defraggler a few months ago it did not make a difference.
As for Ram disk how would i do that?

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

SoftPerfect Ram Disk
https://www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/

* Scroll to bottom of page and click "Download Ram Disk"

FYI - This is the same company that makes Network Scanner, so I trust them. I even just downloaded it myself right now to make sure that it would be cool for you.

* Addendum - Select NTFS file system

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

Wow, it's blazing. I haven't used a RAM drive since I was a little kid. I used to use them in the DOS days. Anyway, it only takes 10 seconds to setup. Let me know how it looks.

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

Sorry Im not to sure how to use this software would you be able to explain this to me. I just dont want to do anything wrong

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

You install the software and it allocates part of your RAM as a storage device. Then you can place a temporary copy of some songs in the ram disk. * Do not erase the files from it's original location, as the RAM disk is temporary space *. Then after you copy say an album or several of them to the ram disk, then try your "self radio" while playing GTA 5, and see if the problem you describe persists or goes away.

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

for the lag altogether there is still stutter when driving with self radio off and I tried ram disk but still no difference. Let me see if I did this right the songs are originally in my music folder so I made a copy of them and put them in the separate disk and in gta 5 files.

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

Okay. Let me know. If you place the files into the RAM disk, and you are certain that GTA 5 is playing them from the RAM disk location and not from your hard drive, then the issue is not latency and I'm out of ideas.

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 23, 2015

Yes sadly it is playing from ramdisk and still no difference it couldnt just be that because in bioshock there will be random time when the game will just freeze or lag or in gta 5 when i move the mouse around in menus it will move and freeze quickly unless i alt tab out and in. I will probably just have to get it serviced. Thank you for your help.

rcald2000 · Jul 23, 2015

One last thing to try: Trojan and Virus scans: Use these two programs: ADWCleaner and Combofix. Run them in that order. You can download them from BleepingComputer, who are the people that created the utilities. Your computer will definitely be rebooted by those programs, so save your work and your browser tabs.

Just to confirm, you're sure that your BIOS is up to date, right?

Jonahtan Bokor · Jul 24, 2015

Ever since i used the programs my cpu usage in gta 5 97 percent and the lag is terrible i now get 30 - 60fps this very weird.

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