RedJaron :
1RuneKing :
and looking at a few benchmarking numbers show the i7 as beating out the Xeon in multicore tasks, which is quite suprising.
It's not surprising at all. Both i7 and Xeon E3 are 4C/8T CPUs. However the Xeon tops out at 3.8 GHz on turbo boost. Every i7 will boost up to 3.9 GHz at least, with a 4790K going up to 4.4 GHz. That's without overclocking. So when you can saturate the threads of a CPU, yes, overclocking makes a big difference, but only when the application is CPU bound. For most games, it doesn't make a big difference.
Not everyone plays the brand new big name games, so it would still be beneficial to go with the more core heavy CPU, IMO, plus it would be a benefit where you will be doing multicore tasks, as the i7 still has more umpf.
RedJaron :
1RuneKing :
Paying the extra 60 for the CPU is not a big issue, especially since one can just cut down on the RAM and motherboard a bit.
So you're saying you want an i7 for overclocking, but you want to barrel-bottom Z97 board? That makes zero sense.
The Gigabye gaming-SLI board is 100 and works great, yeah sure you wont have that last GHz that an Asus might squeeze, but it's a damn good board. Certainly isn't skimping
RedJaron :
1RuneKing :
4x4 is an expensive way to go about it, 2x8 is cheaper, and allows for a cheaper upgrade, as 16 is starting to get to a point where it's entry-level....
16GB is nowhere near getting to entry level for anything except heavy Premiere Pro and After Effects work. Four-way modules also boost bandwidth. Price differential between 4x4GB and 2x8GB just as often favors the four-way setup. If $60 extra for a CPU isn't a big issue to you, then why is $10 on RAM?
I've seen and heard from quite a few places where going for 4 channels puts more strain on the memory controller, making it slower, and use more voltage, whereas the 2 channels don't really have that issue. And again, I said GETTING to the point where 16 can be entry. Many office, and entry level computers are having 6-8, with others having more. Besides, wouldn't it be better to think a few years down the line? Why spend this money now, when you can save $10 and another $80 a few years down the road?
RedJaron :
1RuneKing :
The black series WD drive is way overpriced, a Seagate barracuda is just as good for a lot less.
Says you. I've had fantastic experience with WD. The Black also has a warranty more than twice as long as the Barracuda.
So? A warranty just means they're worried
had multiple drives of different brands abused to rain, freezing temps, and summer heat, still worked jsut fine (a pool of ~130 drives) and these drives were already 10 years old (surplus PCs I bought). To me, spening 70 on a drive beats spending 130 or 140 for a drive that's essentially the same with more warranty. If it's going to fail, it will be immediate, or way after the warranty.
1RuneKing :
The EVGA 980ti uses the stock cooler.
RedJaron :
The only time I would recommend that is if the OP planned to watercool, which would push the budget higher. Better to go with an aftermarket cooler, as the stock 980ti, just like the Titan X thermal throttles and is quite loud at stock.
Which makes me think you haven't tried a recent NVidia reference cooler. Every review I've read about them say they're extremely quiet compared to other blowers. The blowers are also important for the M.2 drive. The M.2 is directly beneath the second GPU. Putting an axial GPU cooler there heats up the M.2, which slows it down and wears it out much faster. If you don't get the second GPU, or if you opt for a slower 2.5" SSD, then this isn't so much of an issue. In any case, the Define R5 is a very quiet case, so if the only thing you're hearing is the exhaust out the back, which isn't even facing you, that's just fine with me.
I love the Define series, I'm using the Midi right now. But when the Titan X first came out, it was pushed hard by reviewers, and they all said that the coller limited it, as it couldnt move the heat well enough, and that if nVidia would open it up to other people, the aftermarket coolers, or watercooling it, would be the best. The 980ti is essentially a Titan X and will suffer the same issues.
RedJaron :
1RuneKing :
I do love the speed of M.2, but is 256gb necessary? 120gb seems just fine as a boot drive.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know the joy of owning a large SSD. Larger drivers also saturate the bus better, yielding better speed.
Mate, I use a 256 seagate s600 SSD. Bought it for my laptop a while back, but pulled it when I built my PC. And I do love it, and 256 is a good size if it is the primary, [strike]but when you have a HDD as bulk storage, you don't really need that big of a drive. Though it CAN be handy.[/strike] Scratch that, I actually only have 93gb free of my SSD atm.....
RedJaron :
1RuneKing :
To me it seems you can save a lot of money by cutting back on the excessiveness of some of these parts.
Well, yeah, you can cut back in a lot of places. There's no need to spend $3000 on a computer either. I can make a machine that can max out details on a regular 1440 display for half as much. However if someone wants to spend the cash, that's their decision.
Spending cash isn't the issue, if cash is unlimited, but to me I see ways to cut 10 here, 30 there, 5 here, 60 there and this adds up. Fix enough of this and your PC can be WAAAYYY better for the same money. My rig cost me around 1200 on black friday, and easily saturates what i throw at it (i7-4790k, 970, 16gb, yada yada) buying on black friday, and having storage pretty much saved me 500 bucks... Not something to snub your nose at