Calling all members of Team Red and Team Green!

JerrWolf

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I'm thinking about pc upgrades so I'm coming to all of you for advice, please full thoughtful opinions here!

Green team:
Why would you pick Nvidia over AMD?
Why would you pick the GTX 980ti over the Fury X?
What do you think makes Nvidia great and the best?

Red team:
Why would you pick AMD over Nvidia?
Why would you pick Fury X over GTX 980ti?
What do you think makes AMD great and the best?

The reasons I ask this is I am a AMD fan, I've had a 6950, 7970, and R9 290x. They haven't done me wrong. I am currently losing faith in AMD and their cards though. I take a look at their marketed "980ti/titan killer" card and see that it actually is not even close to beating it.

So two more questions, How was the Fury X suppose to beat the 980 ti when the specs are so much lower then it, and hard to OC it?

Fury X vs 980ti
Much wider memory bus //4,096 bit vs 384 bit Around 10.8x wider memory bus

Significantly better floating-point performance //8,602 GFLOPS vs 5,632 GFLOPS Around 55% better floating-point performance

Higher clock speed //1,050 MHz vs 1,000 MHz 5% higher clock speed

More shading units //4,096 vs 2,816 1280 more shading units

More texture mapping units //256 vs 176 80 more texture mapping units

980ti vs Fury X
Much higher effective memory clock speed //7,012 MHz vs 1,000 MHz More than 7x higher effective memory clock speed

More memory //6,144 MB vs 4,096 MB 50% more memory

Higher pixel rate //96 GPixel/s vs 67.2 GPixel/s Around 45% higher pixel rate

Much higher memory clock speed //1,753 MHz vs 500 MHz More than 3.5x higher memory clock speed

Significantly more render output processors //96 vs 64 32 more render output processors

Slightly lower TDP //250W vs 275W Around 10% lower TDP

Here are the specs according to GPUboss. So I see based on my "new-ish" experience with GPU's that the 980ti is the clear winner here, what do you think?

 
It does not matter what "team" you are on. Depending on specifics I pick AMD over Nvidia and on others Nvidia over AMD. If you are talking about high end stuff. The 980 ti is a very very clear winner over the Fury X. In general Mhz clock of the memory and chip itself mean little to nothing. And RAM to some extent. It is all about benchmarks and not hard specs.

The 980 non ti and the Fury X are similar in most cases.

You got to see benchmarks with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqzrJl4-KCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpy8CA4V0wk


Then on the AMD side I would only go with a R9 280/280X/380 over a GTX 960 anything stronger would render a Nvidia card from the benchmarks I know.
 

JerrWolf

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Well could you argue that the specs lead to the benchmarks?

Perhaps you could explain to me (or link me to a good guide would be better) what each spec does for the card? Gaming and "work".
 
No. In very few cases does hard specs mean anything at all really. Some games favor the AMD card as other favor Nvidia. It is not a clear cut winner for ether side. Now if you take all the 1-5 fps differences between them consider that in margin of error and test variances.

^ edited my previous post.
 
It is also the same in the CPU world too:

Battlefield 4 1920x1080 Ultra (FPS Higher is better)
I7-5960X - 110
I7-5930K - 99
I7-5820K - 94
I7-4790K - 94
I5-4690K - 83
I5-4460 - 70
FX-9590 - 66
FX-8350 - 62
FX-6350 - 60
FX-6300 - 58
I3-4150 - 50

Crysis 3 1920x1080 Very High (FPS Higher is better)
I7-5960X - 49
I7-5930K - 48
I7-5820K - 48
I7-4790K - 49
I5-4690K - 46
FX-9590 - 36
FX-8350 - 31
FX-6300 - 30
FX-6350 - 32
I3-4150 - 34
I5-4460 - 41

Far Cry 3 1920x1080 Ultra (FPS Higher is better)
I7-5960X - 73
I7-5930K - 69
I7-5820K - 66
I7-4790K - 80
I5-4690K - 73
FX-9590 - 53
FX-8350 - 51
FX-6300 - 45
FX-6350 - 49
I3-4150 - 52
I5-4460 - 59

CineBENCH R11.5 (Higher is better)
I7-5960X - 14.42
I7-5930K - 11.49
I7-5820K - 10.89
I7-4790K - 9.21
FX-9590 - 7.85
FX-8350 - 6.98
I5-4690K - 6.49
I5-4460 - 5.57
FX-6300 - 4.55
FX-6350 - 5.04
I3-4150 - 3.78

x264 HD Encoding (Higher is better)
I7-5960X - 81.1
I7-5930K - 63.3
I7-5820K - 61.5
I7-4790K - 49.3
FX-9590 - 46.4
FX-8350 - 40.2
I5-4460 - 30.6
I5-4690K - 36.8
FX-6300 - 28.2
FX-6350 - 31.4
I3-4150 - 21.1

Premiere Pro (Time in seconds Lower is better)
I7-5960X - 20
I7-5930K - 23
I7-5820K - 25
I7-4790K - 27
I5-4690K - 37
I5-4460 - 44
FX-9590 - 51
FX-8350 - 57
I3-4150 - 67
FX-6350 - 79
FX-6300 - 89


Power Consumption (Wattage Lower is better)
Idle / Load
I7-5960X - 70 / 306
I7-5930K - 70 / 260
I7-5820K - 70 / 251
I7-4790K - 53 / 236
I5-4690K - 53 / 211
FX-9590 - 94 / 288
FX-8350 - 79 / 249
FX-6300 - 76 / 236
FX-6350 - 75 / 240
I3-4150 - 48 / 196
I5-4460 - 51 / 197

Who knew the i5 would beat a FX chip with nearly twice the clock and twice the number of cores.
 

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Hmm I watched the videos, It does seem to compare better to the 980 then the 980ti. As I said I'm new to the Nvidia cards and brands. I assume the whole "ti" part is similar to the "X" for the R9 series?

So Ideally it is better to look up benchmarks instead of stats, but keep in mind requirements?
 

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Always better to see benchmarks rather than stats or card specs. I would go one step further and say gameplay benchmarks are better than graph benchmarks and even better than the general benchmarking vids the big reviewers put up with the same benchmark clips. Even if it is from just regular folks who put up vids because it gives you a much better expectation of how the card performs with certain games and builds because everyones is slightly different.
 

JerrWolf

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I see, well every single graph says the 980ti is the winner, every reviewer says its the winner, and for NVIDIA games it is clearly the winner. That's honestly the thing I don't like about the whole AMD/NVIDIA thing. It makes me feel like I should get a Fury X and 980ti and swap the cards out when ever I play a game meant for NVIDIA or the few meant for AMD.

So I'm not sure what memory bus is but what's so important from the 4096 on the Fury/X compared to other cards? Besides that its a larger number lol.
 

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Right now I am looking at Fury and Fury X, I feel the fury is the better price/performance. I was looking at a youtube video benchmark in some games and they FPS difference was no more then 8 no less then 1 on average
 

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If you don't care about temps and you are happy with the fps you see with those cards, the air cooled fury is probably the better deal.

The furyx is really not a bad card but realistically the 980 ti still outperforms it across all resolutions, considering you can overclock pretty well on any 980 ti, unless you get bad silicon lottery.

I have nothing against amd, I'm just dissapointed in how they handled the launch part and saying it was going to be the fastest and an overclockers dream and all this. I'm glad I didn't fall for it, cause I waited till they released furyx before I bought my 980 ti so I could see benchmarks.

It's still not a bad card, the hbm seems to hold up ok in 4k, although there are some situations it doesn't quite hold up. And overclocking is not a dream...well rather it is a dream because it doesn't oc and someone has unlocked the voltage on it already and oc it to like 1250 or something and it didn't increase performance that much, not like the 980 ti.
 

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Temps are a concern for me. as I have a r9 290x and I'm pretty sure I could cook my dinner on this thing. I'd like a cooler card with good performance.
basically I was thinking I could sell my r9 290x for mid-high 200s then my friend said he'd pay the difference between the fury and fury X. meaning I'd pay about another 200 or so.

my question is, is the fury X THAT much better then the normal fury? I've seen the bench marks. And unless I saw the wrong ones it isn't THAT much better. So I basically I'm getting the cards for roughly 100-200 cheaper for building my friends pc for him.
 

Reaper_7799

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I'd say it's kind of up to you and what you want, regarding temps. Yeah, the furyx is a little better performing vs the fury air and I would say if you are going to 1440P resolution within the next year or two with gsync 144hz monitor, the extra oomph from furyx might be worth it. Also just to have temps low, might be worth it to you. I wanted low temps and low noise and was willing to pay an extra $100 for that but again, it's dependent upon your situation.