Fps/cpu questions regarding game performance

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Hi guys.First time here in this wonderful forum, been a lurker for quite some time.Whenever I had an issue pc wise I sought help here, through people's opinions most of the times ending satisfied.So I was hoping, maybe, directly this time I could find a solution to my questions like many before me did.
So get this.Im very inexperienced when it comes to the part of knowing how to get the maximum out of a pc in terms of performance and CPU stress, so I would very gladly accept some guidance.
The story is, I decided to try my hand for the first time with games, such as Unity and Witcher The Wild Hunt and I was wondering If I can ever reach like 50+ fps with my i5 4690.I don't really strive to achieve more than tho CPU can reach, since I'm planning on having a general upgrade.Was just wondering.Like what can I achieve in between medium-high settings.FYC my gpu is an nvidia gtx 760.Maybe i need the right mix of settings? Thx in advance, Alex :)
 
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Your biggest bottleneck in that system is your graphics card. You might hit around 45fps give or take a few at medium to medium high graphics @1080p with the gtx 760.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page2.html

The gtx 960 is a bit faster than the previous gtx 760 and at 1080p low details on ac unity it struggles to get over 30fps.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-4.html

For high details on these games to get closer to 50fps you'll need a card more like the gtx 970 or r9 290x (r9 390x) or better even at 1080p. You can try lower the graphic details down, turning down/off anti aliasing sample rates, turn the resolution down etc with your current gpu but graphics will take a...
Your biggest bottleneck in that system is your graphics card. You might hit around 45fps give or take a few at medium to medium high graphics @1080p with the gtx 760.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page2.html

The gtx 960 is a bit faster than the previous gtx 760 and at 1080p low details on ac unity it struggles to get over 30fps.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-4.html

For high details on these games to get closer to 50fps you'll need a card more like the gtx 970 or r9 290x (r9 390x) or better even at 1080p. You can try lower the graphic details down, turning down/off anti aliasing sample rates, turn the resolution down etc with your current gpu but graphics will take a hit and you still may not get all the way to 50-60fps. You've got a good cpu, your gpu is just underpowered for these games.
 
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Alexandros Petrou

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Thx for your reply synphul.Im stricken as to how certain cards that are of older generation surpass newer ones and specifically about the 680 beating the 760 in your first link.It's quite remarkable.I am a bit concerned that my gpu may not be my only issue, because I have my suspicions about my msi h97m g43 guard pro mobo as well.But since this mobo is a good one, it's just so happens this suspicion doesn't advance to certainty.
 
When it comes to nvidia, it's not always how new the card is. They typically release a high performance card, then a newer budget revision of an older card. For instance they had the gtx 760 and 770 already. For awhile they've had the gtx 970 and 980. They went and released the gtx 750ti and even though it's newer, it's a lower/mid grade card. Then they released the 980ti and one of the newest releases has been the gtx 960. The 970 and 980 are 'older' and have been out longer, but then they went and released a newer mid grade card. The first number usually denotes the generation (5xx then 7xx, 9xx) and the others usually refer to the series. x50, x60, x70, x80. The higher the number the more performance. It's possible to have an older gtx 780 (prior to the 980) that's stronger than a newer gtx 960. The 960 is newer architecture but lower series number.

In a lot of bench's, a newer card one series back is usually equal or slightly faster. Ie, gtx 770/960 or 780/970. It does get a bit complicated since newer architectures can provide benefits like newer supported directx versions and possibly more vram than previous cards. Even though a card like the 680 sounds 'old' it was a premium card back when it was new at a selling price of around $500. It's comparable in performance to the newer amd r9 280 but they have different capabilities. The r9 280 supports the newer dx 11.2 and opengl 4.3 where the gtx 680 had dx 11 and opengl 4.2 which makes sense since they were 18-24mo apart in release dates.

It may be a bit of a crude generalization, but the 50/60 series (560, 760 etc) are more the lower mid range cards, the 70's (770, 970) are mid/upper range cards and the 80's (680, 780, 980) are upper end cards. Best bet is to look at benchmarks prior to buying any card you're considering. See how well it scales with increased resolution. If you typically game at 1080p, look at some 1200 or 1440p bench's for the same card and how it compares to others. Does it scale well and hold up or fall flat on its face? Sort of a rough estimation of how it may perform down the road especially since people may decide to change resolution of their monitor. If you know you're not changing your monitor then it's not as big of a deal. A card that can barely keep up 50fps on decent med/high graphics settings for current games is likely to only get worse so it may have a much shorter life in gaming performance. A year or two down the road a card doing 50fps on med/high might be doing 30-35fps on low graphics. Where as a card capable of pushing 60-70fps on high or ultra may very well be pushing fps in the 50's on high or med/high settings a couple years later.

Budget will play a big part of it as well, not everyone has $350-500+ to drop on a gpu. I'm one of those people who doesn't, but then while I enjoy gaming it's also not a major priority for me. My hd7850 is hanging in there fine for the games I play and I usually wait until games are a bit less expensive and see which ones they can work the bugs out of. But then I'm playing games like cod ghosts, far cry 3 (not 4), crysis 2 (not 3) and so on. In another 6mo or maybe longer (I'll have had the card 2yrs) I'll consider another upgrade around the $170-200 range. Your card's stronger than mine but I'm fine gaming at high not ultra and at 1080p. I typically turn anti aliasing down since it drags my card down pretty good. Also I'm not trying to play witcher 3 or ac unity, If I were it would probably be a slideshow.
 

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Thx you very much for your reply and I find myself agreeing 100% with your reasoning, because it actually is my reasoning as well.Im well aware of the Gen and series number and categorization.It just is the vague sense of the "next Gen" I have in my mind that kinda obstructs me from sort of thinking straight as NVIDIA does this sort of stuff for marketing or whatever reasons and it gets (friendly) on my nerves :p I will be getting my hands on a gigabyte 970 soon but I can't help but think that the "2 year span of evolution and technical advance" is only going to become shorter with the years.The best would be to grab the 980 but I don't have that kind of money available.