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So in the next year I'm looking to upgrade my processor to either a i7-4790k or i5-4690k. I hear that the i7 is overkill and that the i5 will be ok, but I also want this cpu to last a few years for me. Which should be the best. The motherboard that I'm looking at using is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130780 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157501 . From what I understand I may have reformat my hard drive which would wipe mine clean. i don't have a spare drive to clone to or image, if I have to buy one I will, but if I don't have to that would be the best. It sounds like i will have to reinstall my OS, if i clone or image will my OS remain so that I won't have to reinstall and buy a new copy. Thank you in advance for any help.
 
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"Next Gen 32nm 6-Core Processor Ready!"
Core i7-9xx
Core i7-9xxX
Xeon 36xx
Xeon 56xx

On ebay:
Xeon X5687 - 4 x 3.6 GHz ~80$
Xeon X5650 - 6 x 2.67 GHz ~ 70$
Xeon W3670 - 6 x 3.2 GHz ~ 140$
Xeon X5679 - 6 x 3.2 GhZ ~ 100 $

Last option seems most interesting, its the last line of Xeons on that socket, so it has lowest TDP and possibly could OC well.
Give it a love with your mobo and you gonna laugh in the face over those "gaming" i5's selling for over 200$ now.
While there is not official support for Xeons from Assus on this board, there is multiple forums confirming its doable without much of an effort (bios upgrade at max):
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1855640

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If you upgrade you should get an SSD. So you could simply copy over your old data from the old drive to that one.

I wouldnt "upgrade" from an i7 to an i5. The trend is that more and more multithreading is used and soon your new i5 would need to be upgraded again.
If I were you and had enough money, I would get a 2011-3 platform instead with an i7-5820k.
But then again, since you said next year, you could probably also wait for Broadwell-E, which is due in Q1 2016.
But in any case, upgrading to a Haswell next year would be the worst possible choice.
 

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Thank you for the quick reply. I'll probably go with that setup, i just hope the i5 wil still be capable in a couple years. Now all I need to know is about the reformatting and OS installation and I'll have a plan.
 

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i definitely don't have the money to upgrade to a broadwell-e, ddr4 ram, and the motherboard. at max I could pay 500 bucks for upgrades. a SSD equivalent in space to what i have now would be 350.00 as well.
 

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I copy her an old form answer will help you to overclock your cpu and get good performance without loos money:

" Some of the responses to your original post were comical (I was just browsing some old posts and came across this one - maybe I can be of experienced help here). Don't bother OCing the GPU or memory - these really don't buy you anything other than trouble unless you are a gamer, then just get a more current GPU.

The i7-920 was one of the best overclocking processors ever and remains so. As was mentioned already, the 'K' designation for Intel CPUs wasn't even in existence when these Bloomfield class CPUs came out. Although my current beast is an i7-3930 OCed to 4.6GHz, my i7-920 is still running strong as a media server running at a 4.0Ghz clock for years - it still outperforms newer CPUs when overclocked properly.

Here are my i920 overclocking specs as a reference point - YMMV. With an H100 cooler the temp never exceed 75c running the most stressful Prime95 blended tests for 24 hours and never fails under use under heavy loads.

CPU: i7-920 (D0 stepping) Socket 1366 X58 Chip Set
Cooler H100
Memory: 24GB 1600Mhz Corsair Vengence
Motherboard: Asus P6T
Overclock Mode: XMP
eXtreme Memory Profile: Profile #1 1600MHz
CPU Ratio: Auto
SpeedStep: Enabled (set AFTER stress testing)
Turbo Mode: Disabled (enabling turbo mode with a 4.0GHz OC will make it unstable)
Base Clock: 200 (yes, you DO best overclock the i7-920 by upping the BCLK)
PCIE: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR3-1603MHz
UCLK Frequency: 3208MHz (always double the DRAM Frequency)
QPILink Data Rate: Auto

The following DRAM timings should be set automatically as a result of selecting XMP OC mode):

DRAM CAS # latency: 8
DRAM Delay: 8
DRAM Pretime: 8
DRAM ACT: 24
DRAM Cycle: 88

CPU Voltage: 1.28125
CPU PLL Voltage: Auto
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage: 1.3
IOH Voltage: Auto
IOH PCI Voltage: Auto
ICH Voltage: Auto
ICH PCIE Voltage: Auto
DRAM Bus Voltage: 1.62
Load Line Calibration: Enabled (adds stability)
CPU Differential Amp: Auto
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Auto
IOH Clock Skew: Auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

Ironically you can get an i7-920 CU for $40 on eBay and also 1366 MOB for a song outperform many late model CPU/Bulds. My 4.0GHz i7-920 is still a beast of a quad-core build.

Regards,
Mike "
 

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I certainly agree with above, i was thinking about getting new rig myself and seriously looked over i7 5820k. The difference with price from i7 4790k is actually not that big. CPU itself is +50$, mobo on the other had is +$100 (thats the major difference), RAM is becoming the same price as DDR3.
Agreed that 4790k will be faster single threaded due to higher clocks but so what, you can OC 5820k over 4 Ghz with no issues (maybe except having excellent cooler), but instead you get 6 cores/12 threads... for the premium over 4790k platform its really worth it.
Waiting for Broadwell-E not really necessary, if they throw it to the stores, knowing Intel it will be overpriced already. On the other hand those new chips might be even less energy hungry so might over-clock even better.

Going to i5 is certainly a step back for you, i7 is imo not really that huge jump in performance. Look for article about Skylake on Anandtech, they have nice comparison of performance jumps from arch to arch and if you look over the comments quite many people still use i7 920 or a bit better Xeon on your platform.
For me to be fully satisfied I would require to have more cores, not only new architecture.



 

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baha_timimi is right. If you dont really want to upgrade (since you dont have the money), then you shouldnt. That i7 920 is a very good CPU which will last you another few years if you overclock it. Upgrading to a Haswell i5 would not get you that much boost in performance and possibly even a decrease in perfomance in games that support more than 4 cores.
Either save for a real upgrade or just buy a better cooler and overclock your old one and get a SSD.

Having an SSD doesnt mean you cant use a HDD anymore. You can buy a small SSD for the OS, programs and maybe a few games and put the rest on the HDD. Thats what most people do. Just an SSD will give you a huge boost in performance.
 

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If you want to overclock properly on either platform, its only about $50 more. Cant really compare the cheap Z97 ones to a $200 X99 one, so you have to compare $125 to $150 Z97s with them.
 

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my 920 is currently sitting at 3.2ghz 70c in prime 95 with a hyper 212 EVO. it's using 1.25v at 3.2ghz and i tried overclocking to 3.66 earlier and it just refused to work at 1.3v, I can try pushing the voltage up higher, but I feel it will get too hot at that point.
 

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what size of ssd would you suggest?
 

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As I said, get a better cooler. The ones from Noctua, or others in the same performance field, would give at least an 15C improvement.
Even my crappy i5-750 went to 3.8 GHz easily, and would have gone even higher if the cooling was better. Overclocking is just not as easy with those. It takes a lot of trial and error and thus time.

SSD size: You would know best.
Most people just take a 120 GB one, since thats enough for some programs and 1 or 2 big games.
256 GB would work well too, of course.
 

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I could buy an i7 920 d0 revision for temperature improvement with overclocking for 45.00 or I could go to a i7 930 which is unlocked, all are d0 revision and is slightly better for 65.00. any thoughts.
 

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What mobo you have, it might be wise to look after some Xeon is you want to stay on your platform.
 

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I would like to recommend Skyake . Before you say no thank you ill just wait or get the next best thing let me tell you the things that i would like to have that it offers..
there is some slight gains in performance over haswell in most applications. Not to say all applications are running very much the same with a Haswell part. Skylake does have more instructions that will make it much faster in encoding things such as H264, VP9...ect. Also DDR4 and DDR3 support. Though i doubt there will be a caveat as seen before with Core 2 when DDR3 was implemented. And the final and best thing is the FIRV is no longer on the die, ahh.

 

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"Next Gen 32nm 6-Core Processor Ready!"
Core i7-9xx
Core i7-9xxX
Xeon 36xx
Xeon 56xx

On ebay:
Xeon X5687 - 4 x 3.6 GHz ~80$
Xeon X5650 - 6 x 2.67 GHz ~ 70$
Xeon W3670 - 6 x 3.2 GHz ~ 140$
Xeon X5679 - 6 x 3.2 GhZ ~ 100 $

Last option seems most interesting, its the last line of Xeons on that socket, so it has lowest TDP and possibly could OC well.
Give it a love with your mobo and you gonna laugh in the face over those "gaming" i5's selling for over 200$ now.
While there is not official support for Xeons from Assus on this board, there is multiple forums confirming its doable without much of an effort (bios upgrade at max):
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1855640

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I'd like to see Xeon X5679 @ 4 Ghz vs 6600k tested... you would be suprised.
Considering in this scenario cost = ~100$ vs 350+150+50 = 550$ i would like to say LOL!
 
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610 for i7-6700k, msi z170a, and 8gb ddr4 ram. I'll definitely consider it as an upgrade in 1-2 years, for now i might get a xeon x5650(do they have to be run in a pair?), i7 920 d0 revision, i7 930.
 

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do you think the x5650 would be fine. is there any features an i7 930 or 920 would have that it wouldn't.
 

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On the contrary.. that X5650 is a newer architecture and it looks technically superior almost in every aspect.
Just look yourself:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/47922,41447
As for me and you specific request thats probably one of the best possible upgrades considering cost of investment.
Add some good cooler like Hyper 212 EVO (if you don't have any decent cooler yet) try to OC and you certainly will not regret it.
 

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First I want to say thanks for all the help on this. What would the difference between the x5650 dual and single. It sounds like it's the best option if i can make it work with my mobo. I've already got a hyper 212 EVO, so that wouldn't be a problem.
 

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For dual Xeon you would need a workstation\server grade motherboard. Xeons as shown on Ark comparison, have "# of QPI Links = 2" which means 2 processors can be linked together on a single mobo. Finding motherboard for this wouldn't be neither cheap or easy. 12 cores / 24 threads... yeah it would probably take another decade or even more to get anything near that performance from a single CPU :)
 

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Alright, perfect. I'm thinking this is what I'll get:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5650-6-Core-12M-2-66-GHz-6-40-GT-s-SLBV3-Processor-/271951368041?hash=item3f51908f69

In that forum post that you linked he said he had to use older ram. does this mean that he wasn't using 1066 or 1333 ram and when he did it worked?