FPS Drops after installing new liquid cooling

luncht1me

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Hey everyone, I think this is the right section, though seems to maybe be more mobo power related. Anyway, here goes.

I've just installed an enermax 240s enclosed water cooling block on my CPU. It's an AMD FX-8350. I play CS:GO, and after installing the cooling unit, suddenly every so often my fps will drop from 200+ to 40-50 for 10-15s. using HWinfo I've noticed this happens EXACTLY when and for the duration of the time my cpu temperature is lower than average.

So, it seems that whenever my cooling pump decides to pump out the hot water for cold water that's in the radiator, my system bogs down. As soon as the cpu temp sensor reports an increase in temperature (assuming that's when the pump stops flushing water thru the radiator) my fps resumes being 200+.

What can I do to stabilize this? Can I up the voltages on the mobo / cpu slightly to restore performance during the time the pump is engaged? I currently have the pump wired directly to power supply via an adapter. It has a fan header for power, should I connect it to a fan header instead of directly to psu? Could the cpu have become slightly twisted in the socket while removing stock cooler?

My system is:
MB: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0
CPU: AMD FX-8350 black edition
PSU: CoolerMaster EX2 725w
GPU: ATI HD7970.

I've updated the bios to the latest. It's not the thermal paste since my temps are super low (below 20C idle). It is only when the temperatures are lower than average that my frame rate drops. So it must be a power issue yet I'm running 725 watts. I'm just wondering if someone can help me figure out how to get the system to not bog itself while the pump is doing it's thing.

Thanks.

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UPDATE !!!!!


I've discovered that my Vcore drops to 0.9volts while this is happening. Also my clock speed throttles to 1.4 Ghz. How do I ensure the Vcore doesn't drop? I don't understand why it would be throttling when the actual temperature drops during the throttle.... the pump is sucking power from that part of the mobo? What to do? I've disabled EVERY power saving option in bios..... Help!

Here is a comprehensive set of charts as to what's happening. There's voltage dips in the GPU as well at times of throttling:
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The throttling seems to happen when the CPU SOCKET is only at 45 degrees... This isn't very high. But it does happen right before everything dips. Thing is, the Core is only running mid 20s.

I don't want to replace the motherboard... I've just bought it. Is it possible my 725w psu just isn't quality enough to handle a simple liquid cooler?? Someone help me diagnose and solve this.
 
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No ,its possible your board isn't capable of running an 8350 - not just possible but really an absolute certainty.

You've made then age old mistake of buying a cheap board,running an 8 core on it ,then dropping a watercooling block on it which removes any secondary vrm cooling from the equation.

Your CPU isn't throttling due to heat,your moherboard is!

No ,its possible your board isn't capable of running an 8350 - not just possible but really an absolute certainty.

You've made then age old mistake of buying a cheap board,running an 8 core on it ,then dropping a watercooling block on it which removes any secondary vrm cooling from the equation.

Your CPU isn't throttling due to heat,your moherboard is!

 
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luncht1me

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My research has also concluded that this is the most probable thing that's going on. I'm really happy you've hit the diagnosis on the head here. :)
It's interesting that the mb's socket would be so sensitive at only 45°C without ambient cooling present for the mosfets (vrm). The combination actually performed quite well with the stock cooler! Higher core temps but no problems.

Here's what's transpired since my OP: First, moved a case fan to the side panel to blow cold air in. This reduced the occurrence and severity of the fps drop. About half of this fan's intake would go up to the cpu area where the radiator and a top case fan were exhausting the hot air.

Still, this wasn't enough to stop the motherboard from throttling itself. It wasn't until I removed the back panel of the case and a 22cm aluminum fan was put on high (not medium) and aimed at the back plate of the motherboard/socket was I then able to enjoy 150+fps stable. The computer did mysteriously freeze after a long time; image halted on screen, computer was still on; and comp didn't POST upon using the reset button.

This motherboard and cpu combo was a bundle deal at ncix.com and came together on sale. I'll write a review that liquid cooling has it's perils with this purchase :p :D

Hopefully some heatsinks will solve the problem! Does anyone happen to have 10x micro (under 8mm) and 10x ~10mm copper heatsinks and thermal tape to ship to me cheap in Canada?



 
The problem with mosfets overheating is they lose efficiency & stability at higher temps.
The board will then pump extra voltage in an attempt to gain stability ,the socket & surrounding area heats up & it gets worse.

The one thing is that Asus do use fairly decent quality components even on cheaper board models.

You'd be better off with a couple of 60mm reasonably high rpm fans spotted directly over the vrms IMO - I've found heatsinks to make a minor difference ,whereas straight condensed airflow does.