lightly overclocked 8350 running quite hot with beefy cooler

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My fairly new 8350 is running extremely hot with an extremely mild overclock to 4.2 with a multiplier of 21, and frequency of 200. I have voltage at 1.35 on an m5a99fx r2.0. it's running on a noctua nh-d14 cpu cooler which i just (re-applied?). Under full prime 95 load it runs at a whopping 56 * on core and ~74+ on socket. Un-overclocked it runs about 47~* on socket and 36 or so on core with p95, never going anywhere above 50 on either temp anywhere.

In terms of settings, all advanced cpu stuff (cool n quiet, hpv, c6 etc) is disabled. i'm unsure what else to really do, as i'm unsure whats actually causing the issue. The cpu itself runs fine un-overclocked, of course i just want the biggest e-peen out there with a big scary 4.5 8350 (ya'know?)

Room is properly cooled, (made sure for this test - it's about 60* in here if not lower...)

As i speak the current idle temps are in fact the exact same as they are when it's not overclocked - 36 on socket and ~20 on core

my system:
asus m5a99fx r2.0
amd 8350 (black edition)
asus direct cu ii gtx 760
noctua nh-d14 with nt-h1 thermal compound
Thermaltake toughpower 750w gold rated power supply
NZXT h440
network and sound card.

Running stock case fans.
 
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There's only a few things that could be causing this.

Either the CPU cooler fan is oriented the wrong direction or it's cooling profile is set too low, there is not enough case airflow due to a lack of fans or incorrect orientation or the paste job was done wrong. It's also possible you don't have correct mounting pressure.

Your multiplier and voltage look fine so I don't think it's configuration problem. Is your CPU fan connected to the CPU fan header or a fan hub controller? How about the case fans?
 
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They're connected to the mobo on CPU_fan and CPU_(OSB?)

Case fans are connected to a fan hub controller. The heatsink never seems hot to the touch, but makes contact with the CPU itself and seems to be pretty tightly screwed into the sockets.
 
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Stock speeds aren't the issue - it runs fine at 4.0, running a little hot on the socket at 36, but nothing too bad. Under p95 load it doesn't exceed 50 on either temp. The issues come when I oc to 4.1 or 4.2, the temps on socket spike over 40 degrees
 
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Is you CPU cooler fan installed to directionally blow throught the heatsink from front to back? What are your CPU and case fans profiled to? Custom, silent, normal, etc.

How much thermal paste did you use on the cpu? If you used more than what's outlined at the following guide, or less, then it's likely your issue. This is for a different cooler but the application amount should be the same for all modern air coolers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2520482/solving-temperature-issues-hyper-212-evo.html


It's also possible with a ginormous cooler like the D14 that something is interfering with the heatsink base getting fully seated on the CPU lid. Double check that it is seated flat against the CPU lid and is not being kept from seating by any of the motherboard or other hardware. Make sure nothing is blocked. Do you have the cooler oriented to blow towards the back or the top of the case?

 
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Just reseated my cooler and i'm seeing slightly lower temps (about 5-6 degrees, hovering around 28 or so idle.) I haven't yet ran a p95 test on it yet, going to wait for the compound to set a little bit. I used a bit too much thermal paste, which was resulting in little to none in the middle and just puddles of it around the actual chip lmao.

I tightened the screws on it a bit more from what they were, possibly a bit too tight, but it didnt really seem to make too much of a difference.

In regards to the fan profiling, tbh i'm not totally sure where to look. i'll go ahead and mess with that once i have a chance, but the actual fan1 and fan2 are running at about 1300 rpm as is, so i dont think that's really the issue.

 
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Where are the installed case fans located? According to the specs for the H440 there should be three 120mm front intake fans and a single rear 140mm fan. I'd probably recommend also installing a 140mm top exhaust fan.

Do you not have four fans currently installed? The three front and one rear fan should have come preinstalled in the case when new.
 
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The case fans are installed, all 4 of them. I will eventually install a top case fan, but don't currently have one to do so lmao.

Voltage is set to manual, and isn't auto adjusting at all while oc'd.

Llc is set on very high while oc'd. I tried high as well, but no real difference
 
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The fan profiles are probably irrelevant since you're using the case fan controller hub, but just to be safe I'd look in the bios on the "monitor" tab and make sure all fan profiles are set to standard and the fan low speed limit is set to no lower than 600RPM. I think changing your case fan controls to the motherboard headers rather than the case fan hub would probably help somewhat. For certain I'd probably change the rear case fan by connecting THAT fan only to the CPU_OPT header which will allow it to speed up and slow down in direct proportion to the speed/temp of the CPU and CPU cooler fan.

Is that motherboard the Pro r2.0 or LE edition? There are like three or four asus m5a99fx r2.0 boards and they are all substantially different. Also, what revision? The model and revision should both be printed on the motherboard and/or the box it came in. Model and revision will likely be in different places on the motherboard, usually the revision is somewhere along one of the edges on ASUS boards.
 
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it's the pro edition. was unable to find revision - i'll look harder here once i'm back from dinner. the cpu_opt that the fan is plugged into is for the second nh-d14 fan, so i'm unsure where i'd plug that into.
 
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Oh, yeah, that's true. So you have a couple of choices here. Either way I'd recommend getting a couple of PWM fan splitters like these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812162026


Which you can use to run two fans per header, whether it's a CPU fan header or a case fan header. They will work with 3 or 4 pin fans, and all of your headers are 4 pin PWM headers so you're good there. You can run up to six fans off your three chassis fan headers, and leave your CPU fans configured the way there are right now, which is fine.

Or, you can use one PWM splitter to run both CPU cooler fans off the main CPU fan header and run your rear fan off the CPU OPT header, which leaves the other three motherboard case fan headers free for use with your three front fans.

Or, you can do none of the above. Heh. I would probably go into the BIOS and verify what settings your fans are currently configured for though. Make sure to change to the advanced BIOS view, not the basic or EZ mode, as you'll see very few options that way.
 
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Fans seem to be good through bios - now it seems i have issues with possibly the hdd - everythings gone super slow all of a sudden, with stuttering in games such as arma 3 and even csgo... both memory and disk are at 100% for no apparent reason... no viruses detected by avast or malwarebytes, this isn't good lmao
 
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How old is that Toughpower PSU? Thermaltake power supplies are notoriously poor, aside from the Toughpower Grand series, which is still known to have some problems after they have a few miles under their belts. I wouldn't be surprised. Take a look at the bios system voltage readings and download HWinfo and take a look at the voltage readings there as well. 3, 5 and 12v sensors.

I would return everything to default settings in the bios for the time being until you resolve the issues. Could be a faulty motherboard is to blame for all of this.
 
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I know you SAID you only have the voltage set to 1.35 and that it's set manually, but something is wrong there. You show a 1.425v on 6 out of your 8 cores, which means the system is adjusting voltage still and also that your voltage is sky high. That is why it's running hot I think. Double check your settings. You should be no higher than 1.35v for a 4.2Ghz OC unless you have a terrible chip. I'd reset everything to default settings in the bios and start over before something is irrevocably damaged, if it isn't already.
 
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The computer was set back to optimaized defaults after all well and done, so I have absolutely NO idea why in the fuck it would be that high - if I clear CMOS will it clear it back?

 
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After reading up a bit online - it seems that the 1.425v was coming from the turbo core techonology with asus mobos/amd things.

After turning it off, i'm back down to 1.308v norm. Much less stutter on games, and a bit faster than before, but theres definately still a bit of lag.

Again, i'm unsure why the voltage was that high in the firstplace, as i sure as hell know i didnt set it that high : /

Unsure whether or not the cpu is fried, i havent really experienced any weird shit happen in the past 2 hours or so. I'm still open to help here, obviously, as i don't really know if theres anything else worth doing. i'm extremely scared that the chip is fried, not going to lie lmao
 
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Ok, since you had already set back to defaults, it's normal. I didn't realize you HAD went ahead and reset to default after all. So now I'd keep turbo OFF, leave cool N quiet ON, reset your multiplier for 4.2Ghz and set your voltage manually to something like 1.35v or less. It's probably best if you take the incremental approach to find what the lowest voltage you can get it stable at would be by using the methods outlined here:


http://www.overclock.net/t/91/ultimate-overclocking-guide
 
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Okay, so played a bit today on my comp playing some arma 3. With temps running no higher than 40*c on cpu, and 50*c on gpu, i started off with a fairly stable 30 FPS and slowly dropped to around a stable 10 fps with long drops to 0-1fps for extended periods. Voltage went no higher than 1.308 on vcore. cpu and gpu usage never went above 90% throughout the entire playtime. This is really... well... odd lmao. I haven't tried lessening volts as of yet, as i'm unsure whether or not it's completely related to it. I don't know whether or not it's a cpu problem at this point tbh, mainly due to such low temps and declining fps, yet nothing to really cause it... for the record, my disk is at 100% usage while typing this with only hwmonitor and task manager open. My memory is currently at 77%. could it maybe an OS issue? it seems like thats the only thing we really haven't diagnosed to this point

 
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