Why can't I get a straight answer on anything without people fighting out over brands?
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like anything else, if you don't actually know what you are talking about, the best way to cover it up is to shout from the hilltops and distract the conversation. by turning it to an amd vs nvidia or intel vs amd fight you distract from the fact that you know not what you are talking about. does not help the op at all or accomplish anything but that never stopped a troll before and won't stop one in the future either.
the rest is just simple wanting to have the "best" and by saying a brand i don't have is better that means mine is not as good and I'LL FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND MY MASSIVE "BEST" E-PENIS!!!!
the rest is just simple wanting to have the "best" and by saying a brand i don't have is better that means mine is not as good and I'LL FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND MY MASSIVE "BEST" E-PENIS!!!!
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since this is posted in cpus i am guessing you are referring to amd vs intel fanboyism. while there are certainly benchmarks which absolutely prove one way or the other which is superior for what budget level and specific task there will always be people who have the opposite opinion despite things proven otherwise or who try and generalize one way or the other.
while we certainly watch out for insults, flamewars and dangerously bad advice and take care of it... people are allowed to have their own opinions despite whether or not it is rational or fanboyism and that is their right. it is also your right to not accept advice from people who are biased too much in your direction as well.
in general most of us are biased or at the very least preferential on certain brands or hardware due to past positive experiences from a brand, said parts or what we have picked up along the way. i'm fairly impartial myself, although i often recommend products i have more knowledge on.
while we certainly watch out for insults, flamewars and dangerously bad advice and take care of it... people are allowed to have their own opinions despite whether or not it is rational or fanboyism and that is their right. it is also your right to not accept advice from people who are biased too much in your direction as well.
in general most of us are biased or at the very least preferential on certain brands or hardware due to past positive experiences from a brand, said parts or what we have picked up along the way. i'm fairly impartial myself, although i often recommend products i have more knowledge on.
Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163
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FX processors have lower single core performance than Intel. This is what people are trying to prove, by throwing benchmarks in peoples face. All you need to know. 
Edit 1: I own 2 Intel machines and 3 AMD, 1 being with a FX-6300. It's just a fact it's slightly slower, but sometimes people take it too far and start to insult people. It makes it difficult because there are a TON of people doing benchmarks for these two brands, and the results vary, have to use one yourself to get it I guess.
Edit 2: The Intel vs AMD started, because of the price difference. In the past, AMD (primarily FX processors people compare) was a lot cheaper than Intel, so you got more for your money. This still holds true depending on where you're buying from. But the FX processors require an aftermarket cooler, because those that have used them, can't stand the noise the stock cooler makes, me included. That I think sums it up...
Edit 1: I own 2 Intel machines and 3 AMD, 1 being with a FX-6300. It's just a fact it's slightly slower, but sometimes people take it too far and start to insult people. It makes it difficult because there are a TON of people doing benchmarks for these two brands, and the results vary, have to use one yourself to get it I guess.
Edit 2: The Intel vs AMD started, because of the price difference. In the past, AMD (primarily FX processors people compare) was a lot cheaper than Intel, so you got more for your money. This still holds true depending on where you're buying from. But the FX processors require an aftermarket cooler, because those that have used them, can't stand the noise the stock cooler makes, me included. That I think sums it up...
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Which is generally what I do, gather as many opinions but also objective sources as possible and then make my own decision from there. Just the more input the better. However when there's no actual input and literally all that's being brought up are brand names, it kind of defeats the purpose
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Actually (didn't mean this to post in CPUs), I'm referring to several fanboyisms. PSU fanboyisms, GPU Fanboyisms (Nvidia vs AMD), CPU Fanboyisms (AMD vs Intel), etc. There's fanboyisms almost everywhere you look x) One of the most notable I've actually seen though are the PSU ones.
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the psu tier list is a good place to look for psu information. some brands certainly are junk and can be dangerous to use. other times certain models from a brand are good and some bad depending on how they are made or who made them. there are some brands which only release good quality products as well. not much room for fanboyism there - other than people who ignore the facts and continue to suggest questionable products.
the only one i can think of showing up alot would be the people who suggest corsair CX power supplies. while technically "acceptable" they are still far from being good and you really should not push them too hard or you might have issues (they have a known issue where a capacitor can explode). you can use them for a budget build and likely be fine but some people trust them more than they should and would push them to the limit.
the only one i can think of showing up alot would be the people who suggest corsair CX power supplies. while technically "acceptable" they are still far from being good and you really should not push them too hard or you might have issues (they have a known issue where a capacitor can explode). you can use them for a budget build and likely be fine but some people trust them more than they should and would push them to the limit.
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Of course. I agree some PSUs just flat out suck. However some people are especially picky about the PSUs and honestly I think it all just depends on experience x) Some have good experience while others have bad experiences with different products. Especially, as you mentioned, with the Corsair CX Power supplies.
ssddx
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well... i will say that many of us experienced builders tend to be a bit picky when giving out recommendations because first and foremost we want to recommend products which are safe and which will not fail. generally anything below cx quality is an instant fail from us given reliability and safety concerns.
that does not mean that you will have a problem, only that it is more likely. the risk of such things are higher in certain brands and models than others depending on how well they are built. many cheaper or less reliable psus also cannot handle the wattage they are rated for (some 400w units can only support 200w for instance) and if you push them close to their rated wattages you might come across some trouble.
for example the reason the cx units are often listed as possible however that you need to be careful and are often suggested against is because they can explode because of capxon brand capacitors inside them which when overheated can pop. this in turn can kill the rest of the components in your system if you happen to be unlucky. to avoid undue risk many of us suggest tier 1, 2 or 2b psus to play things safe.
as far as being picky, there are plenty of good brands or at least brands with good models such as: antec, corsair, evga, seasonic, superflower and xfx. i've missed a few off that list of course but those come to mind off the top of my head. theres a difference between fanboyism and recommending solid brands - i've seen a bit of both here.
of course all products can fail and you might have a few people complaining about top tier psus as well or some people with low end psus raving about the good deal. often its good to not put much faith in the odd comment out and to look at the mean average of what people have to say about a product.
that does not mean that you will have a problem, only that it is more likely. the risk of such things are higher in certain brands and models than others depending on how well they are built. many cheaper or less reliable psus also cannot handle the wattage they are rated for (some 400w units can only support 200w for instance) and if you push them close to their rated wattages you might come across some trouble.
for example the reason the cx units are often listed as possible however that you need to be careful and are often suggested against is because they can explode because of capxon brand capacitors inside them which when overheated can pop. this in turn can kill the rest of the components in your system if you happen to be unlucky. to avoid undue risk many of us suggest tier 1, 2 or 2b psus to play things safe.
as far as being picky, there are plenty of good brands or at least brands with good models such as: antec, corsair, evga, seasonic, superflower and xfx. i've missed a few off that list of course but those come to mind off the top of my head. theres a difference between fanboyism and recommending solid brands - i've seen a bit of both here.
of course all products can fail and you might have a few people complaining about top tier psus as well or some people with low end psus raving about the good deal. often its good to not put much faith in the odd comment out and to look at the mean average of what people have to say about a product.
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There are certainly fans of products but that is rare to see when you would get a suggestion just because of a brand, unless it's a general statement about a known quality of a brand. In PSU you have some generally highly regarded brands like PC Power and Cooling (for old school users), EVGA, Silverstone, Antec, brands like that, while other brands are known for poorer quality. So instead of trying to find one of 30 product numbers you can see someone just saying "pick an EVGA power supply over a Corsair" in general, and they would be correct in most situations.
After a while you pick up an awareness of products in categories and what brand is good in what price range. To use speakers as an example, I know that in the higher end, Logitech is as good as any, their THX rated speakers are excellent and have always gotten high reviews. In the lower end, under $50, there are quite a few brands about as good however so that is not a go-to pick there, but in general Logitech is a known quantity. So without going into things like Bose, Klipsh, etc.. I can pretty much say "Logitech speakers are good" and be right most of the time, but in the lower end I may not just say that.
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AMD RULES!!!!!!!!! Haha, just kidding. Everything has it's benefits like price to performance or power draw to performance. My electricity is cheap where I live, it's cold here, and I usually build a new gaming computer ground up every year or two, so I usually go with AMD to save money and get a free heater when I'm gaming. There are specific tasks that can be handled better with one or the other, that's why you see a lot of people asking what games a person plays or programs they use when people ask about a build. I never really understood the whole fanboyism of anything. I get the most out of what I plan to spend, simple as that. It is good that competition exists though, or manufactures would just stagnate. Oh, I am still a fanboy of Batman over Superman though. Mostly because I don't fully trust aliens.
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it all comes down to the final (and real) use of the equipment in the discussion. After that, you just have to decide what is good for you, because other people are going to defend THEIR personal experience/needs. No one is able to put themselves in your shoes (even less on an internet forum lol).
So yes, if you start a question that is not compleeeeeetely objective and pragmatic, people's answers are going to scatter..
So yes, if you start a question that is not compleeeeeetely objective and pragmatic, people's answers are going to scatter..
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