Windows 10 SSD slower than HDD! Installed memory (RAM): 4.00 GB (1.90 GB usable).

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

Hello. I will try to post a much info as possible to help you understand my situation.

I bought a HP 15-F033WM laptop. (Comes with Windows 8.1 64bit, HDD, 4 GB RAM, 64bit CPU)

I booted it up, and everything was working fine including the normal amount of ram.

I replaced the HDD with a Samsung 840 Evo SSD because I wanted better speeds.

I then did a fresh install of of Windows 10 Pro 32bit.

I knew something was wrong when I was doing speed tests and the SSD was doing worse than the HDD.

I installed drivers and programs as normal. Everything works fine except, if I go into system
settings, I see "Installed memory (RAM): 4.00 GB (1.90 GB usable)".

Inside msinfo32.exe I see: installed physical memory: 4.00gb, total physical memory: 1.90, available physical memory: 986 mb, total virtual memory: 3.02, available virtual memory: 1.78 gb, page file space: 1.13 gb.

I have been googling this issue for hours and have come to multiple solutions, but none seem to work or fit my situation.

I updated the BIOS, and I was looking for memory remapping, but there is none inside my BIOS.

Inside Samsung Magician (that is what they call their SSD software), I see somethings posted about virtual memory (which I don't know much about) setting to 200mb as initial and 2gb as max.

This is a list of things that I think could be wrong, but I need help fixing them.

1. I installed a 32bit os on a 64 bit cpu. Because I got the iso from another windows 7 pc. (this shouldn't matter though, should it?)

2. My virtual memory settings are somehow screwed up.

3. The SSD screwed with the RAM.

What should I do to get the usable RAM back to 3.9ish GB as usual? Please link anything you think would help or programs to check, or any info you have.

Thank you very much.

viometrix · Aug 18, 2015

well first you need a 64 bit os, its just wrong to run 32 bit, that should've died with windows xp. second turn your pagefile off or you are going to kill your ssd fast. is your video card using your ram?

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

Well, you have to look into what exactly is using your RAM.

1. 32bit OS will access ~3.5GB, so you're stating out 0.5GB down already.
2. What else is using your RAM?

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

viometrix :

Ok, I unchecked pagefile.

I will install a 64bit os, but only as my last resort, being I have a lot of things already on here and I'm not positive that is the issue.

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

secretumpiratica :

You need to find out what the issue is.
Yes, you need to go to 64bit.

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

Tags edited/reduced. Don't add so many irrelevant tags.

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

USAFRet :

I am not sure how to check what is taking the ram. Inside task manager. it says 30% with a few things using 20mb here and there, nothing crazy.

GearUp · Aug 18, 2015

You should see something like 3.57 Gb RAM with 32-bit. Some people still want that for performance but I doubt many get better performance. Don't have one but I wouldn't expect to need to do anything with the 840 settings other than install it.

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

GearUp :

I would be fine with 3.57. That is not the issue. The problem is that I am getting 1.9.

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

secretumpiratica :

Show us a screencap of exactly what is showing you "1.9GB"

For instance, this is my 4GB RAM system:

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

Ok. I went into Resource Monitor, and under RAM, it says: "hardware reserved 2154mb, in use 760mb, modified 54mb, standby 823mb, free 307mb."

Under that it says "Available 1131mb, cached 872mb, total 1942mb, installed 4096mb"

Shaun o · Aug 18, 2015

Can I put my ten cents worth in here.
Video memory and what is reserved out of your Main memory for the on board video solution of the laptop.
Reduce it in the bios if you have the option.

Install a 64 Bit os to get the full usage of your 4Gb of main/ system memory.
Turn of page filing on the SSD drive as said.
And enable trim mode in windows 7.

Before installing windows 64 bit, look in your bios for what the options are to set your Sata interface to what mode.
If it has the options of Sata, Ahci, IDE.
And you already have the drive set to Ahci set the interface to Sata.

Find the driver disk that came with the laptop, and check to see if it has a sata driver on the Cd or Dvd first.
When you run windows set up before you choose what drive you wish to install windows to click on add driver option.
Put the driver cd/dvd in your drive and navagate to the sata driver select it and click next.
If the right driver windows will refresh the select what drive you wish to install windows to, and the samsung drive should show up in there, format the drive by clicking on advanced drive options.
Once done click net to begin installing windows.

See if the interface change or the mode it is set to makes a difference. Along with making sure trim mode of windows 7 is enabled and you turn of page filing, virtual memory on the Samsung SSD drive.

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

USAFRet :

secretumpiratica :

Show us a screencap of exactly what is showing you "1.9GB"

For instance, this is my 4GB RAM system:

http://i.imgur.com/Csl97gV.png here

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

Shaun o :

Can I put my ten cents worth in here.
Video memory and what is reserved out of your Main memory for the on board video solution of the laptop.
Reduce it in the bios if you have the option.

Install a 64 Bit os to get the full usage of your 4Gb of main/ system memory.
Turn of page filing on the SSD drive as said.
And enable trim mode in windows 7.

Before installing windows 64 bit, look in your bios for what the options are to set your Sata interface to what mode.
If it has the options of Sata, Ahci, IDE.
And you already have the drive set to Ahci set the interface to Sata.

Find the driver disk that came with the laptop, and check to see if it has a sata driver on the Cd or Dvd first.
When you run windows set up before you choose what drive you wish to install windows to click on add driver option.
Put the driver cd/dvd in your drive and navagate to the sata driver select it and click next.
If the right driver windows will refresh the select what drive you wish to install windows to pane, and the samsung drive should show up in there, format the drive by clicking on advanced drive options.
Once done click net to begin installing windows.

See if the interface change or the mode it is set to makes a difference. Along with making sure trim mode of windows 7 is enabled and you turn of page filing, virtual memory on the Samsung SSD drive.

I have it in trim mode, it is set to ahci, the bios is limited as *, I tuned off page filling, theoretically, the 32bit should work fine on a 64 bit. do you have anything else I could do before reinstalling? here is what the memory shows me http://i.imgur.com/Csl97gV.png

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

secretumpiratica :

OK, so your hardware is using up ~2GB.
You've apparently done something with the Samsung Magician to suck up 2GB. I'm thinking you enabled Rapid Mode?

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

Inside Samsung Magician (that is what they call their SSD software), I see somethings posted about virtual memory (which I don't know much about) setting to 200mb as initial and 2gb as max.

Have you turned this on?

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

USAFRet :

sadly, it is not.

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

USAFRet :

I set it to "no paging size" since y'all told me to shut it off of the SSD.

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

secretumpiratica :

That is not the 'page file'.
And you should not turn it off completely.

What I'm speaking of is RAPID mode, enabled in the Samsung Magician.

GearUp · Aug 18, 2015

I'm assuming some suggestions relate to your specific situation. A long time ago I think I tried reducing the page file size. I ended up running out of memory and a file started writing backward. Trim is automatically handled by Windows 10 and updated 7. The best measure I can suggest with limited knowledge is to shut down after making significant changes since garbage collection may not have run. Regularly shut down SSD systems every week was suggested somewhere.

secretumpiratica · Aug 18, 2015

USAFRet :

secretumpiratica :

That is not the 'page file'.
And you should not turn it off completely.

What I'm speaking of is RAPID mode, enabled in the Samsung Magician.

as I said. sadly I did put it on. RAPID mode is disabled and I never touched it. basically . how do I remove all of that hardware memory?

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

You need to find out what, exactly, is using your RAM. Either GPU, or RAPID mode, or something else.

It's not a fail of the SSD, or of Windows 10. Something else is doing this.

GearUp · Aug 18, 2015

Having looked at Resource Monitor via Performance Monitor it seems you picked a bad setup from the beginning (SSD, 32-bit and Windows 10 for gaming). Running Win10 alone consumes almost 2GB but you should show a lot of Free memory.
Extrapolating from my systems I'd say you should have 4GB RAM setup to match your RAM but that isn't possible so it is cut back incrementally and excessively, possibly through your changes.

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2015

GearUp :

Win 10 (either x32 or x64) will run on a system with 2GB RAM. It doesn't consume 2GB all by itself.

GearUp · Aug 18, 2015

Yep I finally checked my 4GB system and it only uses 1GB for Windows 7. Windows 10 after running can take more Standby though since it tends not to close programs. I'm wondering if the BIOS somehow got changed to dual-channel. Doesn't seem likely but 1.9 is crazy low even with 2.3GB available.

Windows 10 SSD slower than HDD! Installed memory (RAM): 4.00 GB (1.90 GB usable).

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