Two brand new case fans killed my MBO

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No point in continuing my previous thread on the CPU section.

It's a socket AM3 board (GA-MA785GT-UD3H rev. 1.0), which was in service for over five years until yesterday, when I received those Enermax case fans. Well, this is how it went down:

1. PC off (this means that the PSU cable is unplugged as well). Both fans set to medium speed (2500 RPM). Turned PC on. Sys_Fan 1 (frontal intake fan) is working on low speed (1500 RPM). PC off. Turned the switch to low speed (1500 RPM) on both fans. PC on. Sys_Fan 1 now turns at around 750 RPM. PC off.

2. Switched fan positions. 1500 RPM setting. Sys_Fan 1 now making my second fan work at a lower speed. So, the fans aren't faulty, good to know.

3. Restart, go to BIOS. I notice that the Sys_Fan 1 fail warning is off (because this is the first time I've added a front case fan on this machine). I switch it on. Restart. Finally, both fans spinning as they should.

4. I've recently downclocked my CPU's Vcore due to overheating issues to 1.3 and then 1.2 V. So, with these two fans and a new CPU cooler (see previous thread), I reckoned I could return my CPU's Vcore clock back to normal. I did it in two steps. First to 1.3 V. Restart. BIOS. Then to 1.4 V. Restart, boot into Windows 7.

5. Checking if everything is normal in HWinfo64. It is. Now I was curious to hear how loud these two case fans would be at 2500 RPM. PC off. Flipped the switches to their medium positions. Double- and tripple-checking if I did it right because I don't wanna run the fans at full speed through my MBO fan connectors. Everything's fine.

6. PC on. The fans are all spinning but the motherboard isn't POST-ing and the screen is dead. I can't turn my PC off through its power switch. I have to cut the power completely at my PSU switch.

7. I've tried everything I could think of, but the end result always stayed the same. So I called a friend, the most tech-savvy person I know and he tells me to bring the rig where he works and he'll try troubleshooting the problem. No dice, we couldn't find a compatible PSU to test it. Couple hours later, round two at his apartment. He hooks my PSU to his rig and it works perfectly. He does similar tests with my HDD, RAM and GPU. Everything's OK. The only component we couldn't perform a test on was the CPU. His MBO uses a different socket. But he tells me that the CPU is probably fine too.

8. I forgot what other testing he conducted with the CMOS battery and whatnot but his conclusion was that the MBO pulled too many amps (not volts, amps!) for the case fans so that perhaps an integrated power regulator died. And that it usually happens with strong GPU's hooking up to an underpowered system. Two fans at 2500 RPM shouldn't have done that to my board.


Any thoughts or suggestions?
 
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If you set the fan in 1500 RPM, you are fine. If you connect the fan into PSU you are fine too, and it will run whatever your setting instead of the maximum rpm.

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But the manufacturer claims that the fan draws 0.25 A at 1500 RPM, 0.6 A at 2500 RPM and 1.3 A at 3500 RPM. The packaging also comes with an explicit warning not to use it at full speed unless it's connected directly to the PSU. That makes sense if my Sys_Fan connector handles only up to about 1 A. But I only used the lower and medium RPM setting. There was no warning that 2500 RPM could do this.

Or are you saying that both of my Sys_Fan connectors had a combined output of 1 A? If so, this would explain why my MBO died. But again, why wasn't I warned by the manufacturer?
 
Each header is for that 1 Amp, it is true you only use the lower setting and you are fine, but you got problem after using the medium setting, that means the fan may or may not draw more than 0.6Amp. Or you maybe unlucky the MB died just at that time.
 

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So, I'm looking for a new motherboard and was thinking somewhere along the AMD 970 chipset line. I've narrowed my choice to these three candidates:

1. Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P
2. Asus M5A97 R2.0
3. MSI 970A-G46

Which one would you choose and why? Maybe another board which I haven't listed here? My PSU is a Corsair CX500 so the board has to support the 24+8 pin setting.

Also, would you feel comfortable connecting these two fans to your brand new motherboard even if you decided to keep them at the permanent 1500 RPM setting?

P.S. I don't think I'll be overclocking or using more than one GPU at the same time.


P.P.S. Seems Gigabyte would be the way to go after all...
 

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I have indeed opted for the Asus M5A97 R2.0. It should arrive tomorrow or the day after.

My friend told me I shouldn't have any problems if I stick to 1500 RPM (with the fans connected through the MoBo fan connectors).

But if I connect the fans directly to my PSU, will they spin according to the position of the switch (1500, 2500 or 3500 RPM) or will they automatically work on their maximum RPM?
 

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By the way, I'm just curious... Is it possible that the fans pulled more amps due to the startup process? Somewhere I read this could even imply double the value of the usual electric current. This would explain why my MoBo died because 0.6 x 2 = more than the allowed 1 A per fan connector.

If so, I still think Enermax should've warned me about 2500 RPM setting as well, and not only the 3500 RPM.
 

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I meant, is it possible that a single header could pull double the usual amount of amps (0.6 x 2) while starting up and then transition into its declared value of 0.6 A?