Family pc build 400-500 pounds

alexisgr8

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Hi,

My families current PC is crawling on the carpet right now due to years of neglect but we are now looking for a much better quicker PC that can do all the family stuff, and maybe run a game once in a blue moon.

The pricing is quite vague due to it being up against my mums idea of a £1200 Macbook pro or around there, as you can tell i'm against this for many reasons. the budget for the tower would be around the 4-500 mark and then a recommended screen would be useful on top of that budget. (maybe a widescreen). (any other peripherals can be added on such as mice etc but they can be left)

AMD would be my preferred choice as they are cheaper and to be honest i prefer there style but if it was better to go Intel i would not mind.

One of my biggest factors is for it to be not to beable to hold huge amounts of data( TB storage would be easily enough) but for there to be at least 1 complete backup of everything on the PC. So for that reason a 120gb ssd i think would be good and then a backup ssd? with a hardrive doing the rest of the legwork??

for the case i do like the look of a bitfenix neos case, but would shy away from one that is dull and black (i liked the blue and white one) no window is required really due to it living in a desk cupboard area.

so really looking for cpu, mobo, gpu, fans etc (extra fans would be gratefully reccomended along with one to replace the stock one on the cpu)

GPU i have seen on other family builds a 270 (x) and similar but do not know if this is overkill.

Thanks so much and i can reply to any questions you have that can help you build the PC.

(i will also need to buy a code for windows 10.1 aswell but can get the usb off my current laptop so around 30 quid arnt they?)
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A8-7600 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£64.39 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard (£32.88 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£37.05 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£61.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.98 @ CCL Computers)
Case: BitFenix Neos White/Blue ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.31 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX TS 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£37.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£48.38 @ Aria PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) (£67.95 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £417.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-24 16:23 BST+0100

AMD A8 which is not the most powerful CPU but works fine for light use. Also has integrated graphics which will play all modern games on medium to high settings. If you still prefer a dedicated GPU the 270x is a very good performer for entry level gaming. I would only change the CPU for a Athlon x4 860K since there is no need for the integrated GPU anymore.

For your backup instead of a SSD I added a Bluray burner so backups can be made to Bluray disks. SSD's are very expensive and it would be a waste to use it for backup purposes. Another harddrive would be the first option but for safety on backups a backup disk is best kept apart physically from the computer. If ever the computer is stolen/burned/exploded so are your backups. Another good option would be a USB harddrive.

I put in a windows 7 OS, it is eligible for free upgrade to windows 10.
 

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Are you planning on playing games and at what settings and resolution? I have put together a build for you, I chose the i3 because its a newer generation and alot of people online prefers the i3 over something like the fx-6300 (and it uses less power). I have also included a ssd and a hard drive for your build to keep the price down i chose the r7 370 but you can always change the graphics hard to a r9 380 or a gtx 950 if you desire extra performance. I chose the fractal design case over the Bitfenix Neos because it would be weird to put a micro atx motherboard in an atx case, fractal design makes really great cases and I think you will like it. I also chose the EVGA 500b 500w psu so you can have a bit of headroom to upgrade in the future. I threw in an opical drive becasuse its a family system but you can always remove that too.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor (£85.53 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler (£16.55 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£30.97 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£33.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£61.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.98 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 370 2GB WINDFORCE 2X Video Card (£114.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1500 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£39.50 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£37.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer (£19.57 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £480.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-24 17:20 BST+0100

For the OS you should find a windows 8.1 code and then use another computer to make the media, windows 8.1 codes here are only 40 USD so it should only be 30 ish pounds.

I said windows 8.1 because windows 7 when you change motherboards for an upgrade it will not be valid anymore unlike windows 8.1 when you upgrade to windows 10.
 

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Forget AMD's, Unless you are going to be running 6+ programs at the same time there is no point, or massively overclock. A low end i3 would be better. Altough the amd above is a quad core as opposed to i3 dual core, the performance of the amd will be worse. in the long run intel will be better. Google: intel core i3 4170 vs amd a8 7600 and check out the cpuboss comparison. An i3 is only £20 more. plus when a haswell i5 becomes cheaper you can swap the i3.

I get my parts from Scan.co.uk, but you might be able to find the following parts cheaper. The specs below include a dedicated GPU and Windows 10. If you include these to the above specs by bootcher, its about £68 more for an intel system. The GPU i've quoted below is £86. Always get i GPU!

CPU: Intel Core i3 4170 Haswell Processor
Motherboard: MSI H97M-E35 Micro-ATX
Memory: Corsair Value Select 8GB DDR3
Storage: SanDisk SSD PLUS 240GB
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Case:Thermaltake Urban S1 micro-ATX
Power Supply: 550W Aerocool Integrator MOD XT PSU
Optical Drive: LG Internal BD-ROM DVDRW Multi Blue with 3D Playback & M-Disc
Operating System: Windows 10 64-bit
GPU: MSI Radeon R7 360 AMD

Total: £568.98
 

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The motherboard quoted does not support 1833 DDR3 RAM. A A AMD R7 360 would be better value too. Apart from that its ok :)

 

alexisgr8

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So would this be the best decision then? and if so could you make changes as you stated with the memory etc. as i dont want to get it wrong when choosing the parts!!! :)
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor (£85.53 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler (£16.50 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£30.97 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£35.49 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£61.95 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.98 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 370 2GB WINDFORCE 2X Video Card (£114.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1500 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£39.50 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£37.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer (£19.57 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £481.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-24 23:33 BST+0100

I fixed the mistakes but i still think that the r7 370 is a must because it can play many games at 720p to 1080p at high settings and its a really nice budget card that would last awhile
 

alexisgr8

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Thanks very much indeed i'll show this to the fam and see what happens!! one final question..... if i wanted backing up photos etc the ssd would be for operating system and like a game or two if i wanted and the harddrive for all files etc. would i need a second hardrive to back everything on to and how would i do this (does the mobo have enough sockets for this)
 

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Well to that you can always back up small files such as folders in a sub drive but if you want to back up whole system files you can either partition the hard drive or get a external hard drive but if you are not planning to fill up all 1 terabyte you can definitely use the hard drive to backup
 

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Personsally i would go with my build. You can use PCpartpicker to see if you can make it cheaper. Benefits of mine are:

- i3 4170 is slightly faster than i3 4160 yet is only £3 more
- if you are not over clocking, you should save yourself £16 and use the stock cooler. The H97 chipset does not allow you to overclock. plus there's no point overclocking an i3.
- The H97 chipset is newer than the H81 and will definately work The motherboard i quoted in my post is £78 and comes with built in wifi. But you can get a non-wifi (MSI H97M-E35) motherboard £12ish cheaper.
- If its a family build and you don't play many games at hi'ish 1080p resolutions, you don't really need a AMD R7 370. A R7 360 can do everything you would want, and its £20+ cheaper.
- _Hi_ build uses 2 x 4gb RAM memory which is pointless, b'cos one 8gb costs the same.
- My original system comes with a Bluray reader drive, and Windows 10! _Hi_ build only has a dvd drive and once you play around adding windows 7 etc it really isn't that much cheaper.

My new recommendation is as follows:

CPU: Intel Core i3 4170 Haswell Processor - £88.92 - from Scan.co.uk
MB: MSI H97M-E35 Micro-ATX - £59.96 - Scan
Memory: Corsair Memory Desktop 8GB DDR3 (Dual Channel) 1600 MHz - £32.50 - Scan
Storage 1: Crucial 2.5 Inch SATA3 250GB BX100 - £61.99 - Amazon
Storage 2: Seagate Barracuda 1TB Internal Hard Drive - OEM _£34.95 - Scan
Video: MSI Radeon R7 360 AMD - £85.69 - Scan
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply - £37.99 - Scan
Case: Coolermaster Silencio 352 Matt Black Micro-ATX Mini Tower Silent Case - £48.42 - Scan
Optical: LG Internal BD-ROM DVDRW Multi Blue with 3D Playback & M-Disc - £35.99 - Scan
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64Bit English DVD OS - £79.32 - Scan

Total cost: £565.73 (this includes vat and postage)

I went for a better pc case in the end, but you can save money by getting a cheaper case. Try using PCpartpicker for the above specs to see if you can make it cheaper. I tend to get my stuff from either ebuyer or scan as i generally can't deal with the postage hassle from multiple sources.

I really think you can't build a decent system with a decent GPU, Windows 10 and bluray player for less than £500. You can skip getting the a GPU and simply use the integrated graphics on the i3, but i bet you will end up buying a GPU in the future.

 

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A R7 360 can still play games at 720 and 1080p. Adding an original Windows 10 disk will bring this build to £560ish. Practically the same as mine, with a worse case, CPU, motherboard and no option for Bluray in the future. I would also budget an extra £20 for any build for any additional cabling you might need. Youtube video reviews of both cases. Bottom line is a complete system build with a GPU and operating system will be more like £600

 
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