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So I've been looking at some DIY combo deals from neweggs. Since I don't want to spend too much money on my new rig, I'm more looking into AMD stuff. Here's the combo I'm looking at right now: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2451932 . So first of all, is the combo worth it? Also, will it run smoothly games like LoL and CS:GO? Lastly, my main question is if I could later on add an AMD Radeon GPU. I mean, it says the APU has Radeon R7 graphics, so if I add a GPU would it mess things up? And would the power supply be enough to support this whole system plus the added, say, Radeon R7/R9?

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That combo is a great starting point for entry-level gaming. You can also add either an AMD or Nvidia discrete GPU to the computer, but as logainofhades said, you'd want a better power supply if you went with that option.
 
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For right now I'm thinking of something like 500-600 CAD$, excluding the GPU, as I will add it after I built the system.
 
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You'll need an operating system to throw in with that combo, I missed that a moment ago.
 
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Yes, I would obviously upgrade the PSU. Also, is there a big difference between the AMD A10 7700 and the AMD A10 7750K? Last question: is toshiba a decent company for the HDD?

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Yes I know, I haven't forgotten about it :p
 
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The difference between the 7700k and the 7850k is that the 7850 has a slightly higher clock speed and 2 more GPU cores. In the long run, the additional GPU cores aren't worth it for you, as you are interested in a discrete GPU down the road.

Now these APU's can crossfire with specific R7 cards. In my opinion it isn't worth it to run the APU/GPU crossfire because the designated GPU's that can do this are low-end, the R7 240/250.

Here is a link http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-dual-graphics-works-ddr3-memory-based-radeon-r7-gpus/

Toshiba is an alright HDD manufacturer. I suggest a using a SSD for primary storage when you can afford it, and transition the HDD to a storage drive.

 
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This would be faster, than that APU, right from the start.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($84.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($67.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.44 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GT 730 1GB Video Card ($64.09 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case ($48.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($83.10 @ Amazon Canada)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.88 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($105.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $581.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 12:32 EDT-0400
 
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Or grab Free Windows 10 from Insider program and go for this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($92.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($54.82 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 370 2GB WINDFORCE 2X Video Card ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3212-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Silverstone 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($68.97 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $569.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 13:02 EDT-0400
 
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What do you mean by the insider program?
 
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Hmm seems like an interesting build... I alwasy thought intel pentiums weren't really good since they're an old series... Can they still be good and make a fast pc?
 
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Pentiums are non hyperthreaded dual cores.
They're decent desktop chips & overclocked have good performance, they also have a good upgrade oath to other 1150 socket chips but they're too restrictive IMO - if you're not going to have the funds to upgrade the CPU within the next 6-12 months steer clear.
On the Intel side an i3 minimum IMO.
 
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Ugh different opinions everywhere xD... Let's say I do go with an AMD APU like the A10, then I add a GPU from either Nvidia or ATI, will I get good performance at 1080p for games like LoL? Also, will that APU give me decent computer speed for internet browsing and multitasking?
 
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I3 build - no GPU but you'll get by for general use until you can afford to drop one in.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($144.74 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock B85M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($53.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.44 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.88 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($105.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $546.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 13:30 EDT-0400

7650k build

Will let you game albeit at low settings 1080p/medium 720p.if a discrete GPU is fitted in the future the CPU being unlocked can be pushed to 4ghz easily matching the 860k

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A8-7650K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($122.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($20.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Asus A68HM-Plus Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($74.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.44 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.88 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($105.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $566.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 13:54 EDT-0400

Fx6300 - old chipset mb includes integrated graphics - only good for general use not for gaming.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($128.95 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.98 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($58.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.44 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.88 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($105.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $567.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 13:56 EDT-0400

 
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Lol... There are so many opinions that I am not sure what to do anymore xD . So if I get an A10, can I still use any GPU with it? Also, is my system gonna run faster overall if I get Intel Pentium instead of AMD A10?

Thanks!
 
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If you get the A10, yes you can still use any GPU with it. The CPU side is so weak, that bottlenecking will become a problem, with many midrange and better graphics cards. The A10 7700k's gpu is slower than that of a 7850k. The 7850k is only equal to an R7 240, which is two tiers below the 730 GDDR5, that I linked earlier. Yes the pentium is not a great multitasker, but those games are not very multithreaded. You can also overclock to 4.0ghz, easily, with just the stock cooler. LoL can run well on any modern CPU. Even a lowly, and old, Athlon II X2 260 can manage decent FPS. CS:GO is not very demanding either, and the Pentium can easily handle it.

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How can I add my PcPartPicker build?
 
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Read about this here:
https://insider.windows.com/
Simply register and download Windows 10 * USB stick installer or ISO for DVD :)
 
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Alright... Thanks MadMat for telling me how to paste my pcpartpicker build. So I went to a Canada Computers store, asked a guy working there and told him what I basically want in my desktop and for which price. He does this for a living, so I guess the build he gave me should be pretty good for 600-700$. Here's the build he suggested me:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7850K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($84.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($69.37 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.99 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Antec GX500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Elite V2 550W ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.94 @ DirectCanada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($114.96 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $621.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-25 17:48 EDT-0400

With that build, can I still add any ATI Radeon or Nvidia Geforce GTX GPU? Also, do you guys suggest any changes?

Thanks!
 
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If you want pay for OS is your choice :)
Is fine except PSU is not best but ok for APU, case is overpriced, this HDD is around 40% slower compared to 1TB in my Bulid.

And this build will provide around 3x less FPS in games ;)
 
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If your budget is $600-700, you can do better than that. That PSU is junk, case is too expensive, for a budget build. 320gb HDD is not enough storage. If you really want an AMD rig.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($92.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($99.24 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.69 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GT 730 1GB Video Card ($64.09 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case ($48.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($86.98 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.88 @ Canada Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($109.98 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $629.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-26 09:46 EDT-0400

 
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