Which water cooler would be best for me?

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Hi there,

I'm planning on switching to a water cooling system very soon. I just want to water cool my CPU to overclock my AMD FX 8350. So any water cooler is fine with me, but preferably the XSPC Raystorm 750 RS240. My gaming case of choice will be the Enermax Ostrog GT mid tower. I'd like to be able to use the XSPC Raystorm 750 RS240 mounted to the top, but not sure if the radiator will fit. Also, I like the Cooler Master Nepton 240m AIO. I've seen reviews, guides and looked up the specs, saying it can support 240/280mm radiators at the top. However, they say it's a tight fit so there's the possibility to having to off set one or both the fans to make some adjustments. So my question is: will either the XSPC Raystorm 750 RS240 or Cooler Master Nepton 240m do the job for this case? Thanks in advance! ^^
 
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Your build will be fine for games, definitely. It will probably last a few years too, as QSV said. By obsolete, I meant I've seen it listed as a minimum spec processor today. Now, minimum requirements are not always right (such as my laptop, which had an old AMD equal to a .7 GHZ Celeron in it, but could play a game that said it needed an i5). So yes, the 2500k will be good for a few years. It just might struggle with gaming AND streaming at the same time.
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RCFProd,

I don't have it built yet cause I'm wanting on money to buy the parts. Here's the parts I want to get:

-Case: Enermax Ostrog GT
-Mobo: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
-CPU: amd fx 8350
-GPU: Gigabyte GTX 960
-PSU: EVGA 500W
-RAM: G. Skill Ripjaw X @8GB

And if I have to switch to a different budget mid tower case to be able to fit either the XSPC Raystorm 750 RS240 or Cooler Master Nepton 240m then I guess I'll do that.

I want to try to avoid having to get a full size case cause I don't like them. Mid size are fine.
 

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Why buy such an expensive cooler, which wont be much better than other high end AIO coolers (which in turn arent much better than very good air coolers like the NH-D15) and then buy such a bad CPU?
Save that money, buy a good air cooler and get a fast i5 instead.
 

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CPU isn't bad but It's worse value than a non-overclockable Intel i5 Haswell processor.

If you can, drop down to the FX-8320 (exact same CPU, just lower clocked) and improve the graphics card.

Also the power supply you've chosen is not well built and could cause problems soon enough if you plan to OC like that.

Cheaping out on the PSU is one of the worst ideas you can pull.
 
As best I can tell, this is the current wishlist.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($163.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Enermax OSTROG ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: raystorm rs240 ($144.95)
Total: $736.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-31 05:25 EDT-0400

I'm assuming gaming is going to be part of this pc's role based on the graphics card. For almost the same identical price you can get a stronger i5 cpu, skip the fancy cooler, improve the power supply and upgrade from a gtx 960 to a 970. Not saying the original build may not look cool but considering the possible performance you could have instead I think it's money wasted.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($193.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($314.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Enermax OSTROG ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $742.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-31 05:30 EDT-0400
 

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Sigh... the OP said he wanted an answer on watercooling, not a new build. That AMD will handle anything from the next few years, and that GTX 960 can play nearly all games on ultra at 1080p. It will struggle on some, but still. Besides, you can get an R9 290 now for 230 bucks.
For his question, I recommend this. I swapped the GPU (It's better for 40 bucks more, equivalent to a GTX 970), Loaded the case with fans (Keeps it very cool, with a blue glow standard, bit if you don't like, replace em, you will need some though), and PSU (Same model, more power. The 500B and 600B are tier 3 but usually perform like a tier 2. They are a good deal.) So good luck! Oh, dropped the processor, same one, just lower clock speed.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($129.58 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Nepton 140XL 122.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($82.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB TurboDuo Video Card ($232.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax OSTROG ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: LEPA LP-BOL12P-BL 81.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($12.00 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: LEPA LP-BOL12P-BL 81.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($12.00 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: LEPA LP-BOL12P-BL 81.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($12.00 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: LEPA LP-BOL12P-BL 81.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($12.00 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: LEPA LP-BOL12P-BL 81.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($12.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $754.50
 

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That CPU has a bad value, its hard to upgrade from it and its a old architecture. Then buying such an overpriced cooler for that CPU is just illogical. With a faster GPU like the one you suggest, thats an even bigger mistake.
OP is free to buy what he wants, but mistakes should be mentioned.
 
Sighs are for drama class :p The op has a speculative build, not a current build so it's not too late to help them prevent making mistakes that could cost them performance. Why not get a 9590 with a custom water loop and put an r7 240 with it, makes little sense. Considering 8350/gtx 960 won't keep up with an i5/970 and the price is the same, why wouldn't someone opt for that?

If the psu performed like a tier 2 it would be a tier 2. That's like saying well amd has second tier cpu's but they perform like top tier. They're tiered for a reason even if it is a generalized rating system. No need to load a case up with all those fans, especially if running a cooler i5 build.

As far as the gpu's, 1080p, ac unity - a 960 will struggle to get 35fps on low details, the 970 will get 72fps. Far cry 4, 960 can't quite keep up to 60fps while the 970 manages 86fps and the min fps doesn't fall below 60 which may make a difference on a 60hz monitor. The 970 is consistently in the 60fps + range at 1080, usually with high/ultra details while the 960 hovers closer to the 40-45fps range.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-4.html

The 970 I included in that build is the superclocked acx, in bf4 it outperforms the 290. Same in crysis 3, bioshock infinite, skyrim, gta v, witcher 3, metro last light. Keeping in mind the gpu performance tests are done on an intel cpu, pair it with an fx cpu and the fps are going to drop a bit further.

Additional bench's available from the dropdown menu.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review/6

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-4.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page4.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-and-980-reference-review,16.html

No one is forcing the op to consider an alternate build but it might be in their best interest for performance. I like a cool looking pc as much as the next person, but I spend more time on the screen than I do admiring the case/build. I do find it a bit funny that after berating others for suggesting alternate option, the very next thing is - an alternate build.

In terms of watercooling, it can be an experience/hobby if building a custom loop. If using an aio it's no different than attaching an air cooler and if there's no significant gains to be had by it or detrimental reason requiring it the high cost may as well go into parts that will actually improve performance. Air cooler, aio liquid cooler, ln2 - none are going to make the fx chips better performers. A stronger cpu and gpu on the other hand will.

I never force people to choose the builds I suggest to them but I don't get any satisfaction leading them to blow money on parts that aren't going to improve their experience. Sometimes people just don't know, someone told them amd is better bang for the buck or intel's too expensive or any number of things. If they have all the information to consider rather than half the information they at least stand a chance of making an informed choice. My advice is free and folks are welcome to take it or leave it. It's just one of many suggestions along with that of others. I do know if it were me in that position and someone had reasonable information showing me how to get significantly better performance for the same price I would appreciate them telling me before I bought the parts.
 
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Thanks for all the replies, everyone. You're actually frustrating me more than

actually helping me. >_< I'm on a fixed budget at the moment so I can't buy

expensive $400+ cards, expensive processors, etc etc. I may upgrade parts later

in the future, aside from the specs I listed earlier. But for now I need

something that isn't so complicated, know what I mean? I've changed my mind so

many times in the last month, deciding on parts to get. All I want to do is

game and stream; that's it! I don't need anything that is "overkill". Now, the

situation right now is that I was planning on giving my best friend my i5 2500k

processor, nvidia 560 Ti card, 8GB of RAM, and Antec 650W PSU, and just buy

myself a cheap AMD processor, mobo and video card. However, seeing as you guys

are saying that I'd be better off with a i5 processor, then I'll probably just

keep my i5 2500k and get a mobo for it. I did VERY well on my last initial

build before my mobo crapped out and could play just about anything at very

high settings, too. Here were my old specs:

-Case: Enermax Ostrog GT mid tower
-Mobo: HP (don't know the model of it)
-CPU: i5 2500k @ 3.3Ghz
-GPU: MSI nvidia 560 Ti twin frozr II @ 1GB
-PSU: Antec 650W
-RAM: 10GB 1333
-Fans: front (2 x 140mm preinstalled), top (2 x 120mm) and exhaust

Seeing as how the Nvidia 560 Ti did me so well, I need a decent budget upgrade

to the 560 Ti. I don't need something as expensive as a 970 cause that's too

much on my budget. Keep in mind that I do live in Canada, so the prices you may

provide me will have to be Canadian currency ONLY. I may just go with this

build instead, just to save me the anxiety:

-Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?

Item=N82E16811124156&cm_re=enermax_ostrog_gt-_-11-124-156-_-Product

-Mobo: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?

Item=N82E16813157304&cm_re=asrock_z75_pro3-_-13-157-304-_-Product

-CPU: i5 2500k @ 3.3Ghz

-GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125771

-PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

-RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?

Item=N82E16820231428&cm_re=g._skill-_-20-231-428-_-Product

-Cooler: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx? (my friend has a NH-D14 and may give that to me instead)

Item=N82E16835103099&cm_re=cooler_master_212-_-35-103-099-_-Product

-Top fan: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103073

I just want to game, stream and overclock! NOTHING MORE ^^
 

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Alright, that's up to you. The reason I suggested the 290 is because it about the same price as the 960 where I am, about 1 mile from the border. The problem with the 2500k is that soon it will be so obsolete that even it will have problems in games. I recommend a cheap air cooler and an over clocking board if you are upgrading.


And to those who said the 8350 socket is dead, so is the i5's. LGA1150 and AM3+ are both being replaced now and next year, repectively, by LGA1151 and AM4
 
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I'm not sure you're understanding me at all. I'm on a budget and just need to game, stream and OC. >_< I've been told MANY MANY times that the ASrock z75 Pro3 is a good mobo to OC and that the 2500k is a good gaming CPU. I've never had issues with my 2500k or my old NVidia 560 Ti so I think that the parts I listed above just a moment ago is a good upgrade from a crappy old HP mobo and 560 Ti.
 
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It's okay. Please just tell me that the build I described a few minutes ago is good enough for gaming? I'm getting so frustrated and my anxiety is going through the roof. My budget is very tight as it is. >_< I was told that the CPU and GPU and MOBO were great for gaming, streaming and OC'ing.
 

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You should have said that before. That 2500k is still a very good CPU and will be for a few more years. Dont listen to obsolete crap being told here. Just OC it to 4 to 4.5 GHz (which should be easy), and you will have a very nice CPU.
The GPU (960) is fine too, but you should take a Z77 board instead if you want to OC, like the ASRock Z77 Extreme4.
Not to confuse you even more, but you should also think about an SSD, big enough for at least the OS, programs, and maybe a few games. That will speed up your system massively.

EDIT: Well, nevermind, that mainboard is extremely expensive on Newegg. No idea why. Maybe you can find it cheaper elsewhere. The normal price should be around $150.
 

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Your build will be fine for games, definitely. It will probably last a few years too, as QSV said. By obsolete, I meant I've seen it listed as a minimum spec processor today. Now, minimum requirements are not always right (such as my laptop, which had an old AMD equal to a .7 GHZ Celeron in it, but could play a game that said it needed an i5). So yes, the 2500k will be good for a few years. It just might struggle with gaming AND streaming at the same time.
 
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Sorry for the confusion. It would have been helpful to know you had an i5 2500k at the moment, there would be no point in upgrading it. From what you said, initially you wanted a water cooler, then you listed out a build that you said you wanted to get. That was the first build I put together based on the parts list you mentioned. If that was a build you were looking to get, it appears by parts pricing to be a $750 build. The 970 didn't seem inappropriately expensive as it fell within the same budget as the parts listed in your 2nd post. If comparing a prospective future $750 build to a $750 build the cpu or gpu aren't 'too expensive'. They're the same budget so I guess I'm confused. It also would have been helpful to know you were shopping with a canadian currency.

The 2500k is still a great cpu and getting rid of it to go with an fx cpu would be a downgrade. Just use a decent cooler and overclock it. If you can swing the 970 I'd still recommend it, it's not overkill for 1080p gaming with the newer games. It might be overkill for minecraft or a number of steam games. I wouldn't worry about the i5 being obsolete any time soon. The 960 will still be an improvement over the 560ti, it just may struggle on some of the current games unless graphics are turned way down and even then it may struggle a bit. It would depend on the individual game but I don't see its performance getting vastly better as time goes on. Hope the build works out well for you.