Any chance I get Bottleneck? About GPU, CPU, PSU. Please, help me.

Panos Beltis · Aug 31, 2015

Hello again, I know, it's not cool to type the same questions over and over again, but sometimes I don't get the answers, neither being able to find a solid solution....Is there a decent or best gpu that can work 100% perfect with my cpu? I want to upgrade my gpu 750 Ti, to 970 4gb. But I saw somewhere about bottlenecking? And also, they told me to change my PSU, and I can upgrade to hyper evo 212 fan the custom cpu fan. My specs are :

Motherboard : ASRock Z87 Extreme 4
CPU : Intel I-5 4570 3.2 Ghz
Ram : 8GB
GPU : NVidia GeForce 750 Ti
PSU : 530 ATCSx
Monitor : Samsung 32" HDTV 1920x1080

So, please, for the last time, I want and I need, simple and solid answers.

1. Do I need to change my PSU first? And If yes, to which one? model name here plz .

2. If I upgrade from 750 Ti, to 970 4GB, is it gonna be better? And If yes, is it gonna bottleneck my cpu? If either is the case, which is a better and decent gpu that works good with cpu?

3.My custom fan seems good so far, but the CPU for some unknown reason gets insanely hot, like 80-90 C. After a test I did, so, I can't play on high or on ultra my games. Yes, it's a desktop, yes, it has one whole year after I got it, yes, I cleaned it, two montsh ago, yes, I may need an EVO 212 fan.

It cost me 850 euros, and 250 euros the TV.

Anyone with the knowledge and best detailed helpful answer is gonna be rewarded with "best answer" by me personally, and of course I'll put a good word for him/her anytime. Also earns my respect. Please, I need help, I searched on google and I can't find anything, in fact I feel more confused now.

^I'm sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language, I learned on my own. That's all folks. I'll be really waiting for your help. Have a nice time.

RCFProd · Aug 31, 2015

That power supply is unknown to me and you might indeed need to upgrade it. I would say just do that.

No the GTX 970 will not bottleneck the i5-4570 processor. Bottlenecking is when the CPU usage reaches 100% and the graphics card is held back somewhere below 70-80% in all games.

The difference between these two graphics cards (GTX 750 Ti vs 970) will be massive. Very big difference. However I do not understand why you can't play ultra because of your temperatures. Your temps will pretty much be just as high on medium as it would be on ultra. You need to sort that out though indeed, have to make sure the CPU temps don't go higher than 75 degrees. An aftermarket CPU cooler should help but make sure you get one that fits your case. Not every case fiits a Hyper Evo 212.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($60.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $410.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-31 03:25 EDT-0400

honkuimushi · Aug 31, 2015

1.
Yeah, if you're getting a PSU, you should get a better PSU. 500 Watts should be plenty, even 450 would probably be enough if it's a good quality unit, but I've never even heard of that brand and it's just not a good idea to risk $1000 worth of parts an a cheap, unreliable PSU. I would look at the tier two list here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
It's hard to recommend a model without knowing your location or preferred shops, but Seasonics, XFXs, EVGA Supernovas, and Antecs are a good place to start. Again, around 500 Watts should be sufficient.

2.
The 970 will be much, much better than the 750 Ti. And no, there shouldn't be a bottleneck. Your I5 would probably be able to handle a Titan X without problems.

3.
This puzzles me. You have a locked processor, even the included heatsink should keep it in the mid 70s. If you've cleaned out the case, I would do do two things. First, check the air flow of the case. Can you feel the air being drawn in? What about the exhaust? If the intake is on the bottom, is it clear? Are there any components or cables inside the case blocking airflow? If that doesn't solve the problem, it's possible that the CPU cooler is not mounted well. It's probably worth remounting it. Get some new grease, maybe even one of the fancier ones like Gelid, clean off the cooler and heat spreader and remount it with the new grease. If that doesn't work, then look at a new cooler. But you shouldn't need one if you're not overclocking.

Hope that helps.

QSV · Aug 31, 2015

Bottlenecking depends on the game youre going to play. With a CPU that can "only" run 3.6 GHz max, in games like DayZ Standalone, ArmA 3, ARK, GTA V, and some others, you might experience some bottlenecking.

honkuimushi · Aug 31, 2015

QSV :

This is from April and doesn't have those games, but in pretty much all the games in the review, at 1080p and with a GTX 980, the difference between the i5 and the i7 is usually less than 1 FPS. Sometimes yje i5 is even ahead. http://www.techspot.com/review/972-intel-core-i3-vs-i5-vs-i7/
Admittedly, it is a little stronger than his, but even the i3 keeps up in most titles.

This shows 3 FPS difference between an i7 4770K and an i5 3470 at 1080p with a Titan in Arma 3.
http://www.techspot.com/review/712-arma-3-benchmarks/page5.html

And this shows about 5 FPS difference for the same chips with a Titan X at 2560x1600.
http://www.techspot.com/review/991-gta-5-pc-benchmarks/page6.html

I couldn't find and good tests for DayZ, and Ark is probably too new. There are a few games that are CPU limited, but for 95%+ the difference between his i5 and upgrading to something like an i7 4790K won't be noticible on the TV he's playing on. If he has some games he's worried about, he can list them and we could check them out, But I just don't see CPU bottlenecking as something to really worry about.

Panos Beltis · Aug 31, 2015

Thank you all for your answers, I'm watching them all right now. I'm from Greece. I live in Greece. My case is like a medium tower from Aero Cool brand, it's black with some red lights in the front. If I have to change my PSU, can someone even tell me a decent model? So I know what I'll ask on the employee when the time comes. A GTX 970 4GB edition sounds awesome, but is it really gonna be fittable in my motherboard?

Games I want to play on Ultra :

DMC4SE, SKYRIM with ENB mods, Assassin's Credd Unity, Witcher 3, Batman Arkham Knight, and almost any new game this year and the next 3 years after. Also, for an air fan, I don't know why my heatsink has so much of a problem, that's what I saw on HWMonitor when I run games. And I play them on low with everything off.

Damn, I even play the Final Fantasy Type-0 HD on very low and it's still getting hot. I really have no idea where's the problem. And no, there are no cables blocking anything.

One issue though, sometimes when I start my Computer, the fan on the back, makes a hard noise, and I have to hit it gently or smth in order to stop making noise. That's not happening everytime, just sometimes. And the airflow is still good from what I see.

QSV · Aug 31, 2015

You just proved what I said. Those benchmarks show that some games will have a bottleneck with the CPU.
Thats what I said. I have no idea how big that bottleneck will be in his case, but it will be noticeable in some games that only run low FPS anyway, like ARK, ArmA 3, DayZ SA. 5 or 10 FPS less doesnt sound much. But it is much if you only get 40 FPS anyway.

honkuimushi · Aug 31, 2015

Those games should be fine with an i5 and a 970. The future games are more of a question mark, but it's more likely your graphics card and monitor will be the things to become obsolete first.

The card will fit in your motherboard. The case can be trickier, but a standard tower shouldn't have any issues. You might even be able to keep your 750Ti as a PhysX card.

As for your PSU, I looked at http://www.e-shop.gr , and saw these PSUs that were of excellent quality:
ANTEC HIGH CURRENT GAMER HCG-520
XFX TS SERIES 550W
Those were 74-80 Euros and semi-modular.
If you want a fully modular one:
XFX XTR SERIES 550W
Which was about 110 Euros.

You may know some better or cheaper shops, but that should give you a place to start.

Finally, the sound the fan is making concerns me. It could be going out or it might be hitting something. Or it could just be loose. Make sure no cables can fall into it or the CPU fan. After that, I would try to reseat your heatsink and put on a new application of grease. Hopefully, that will solve it.

honkuimushi · Aug 31, 2015

QSV :

I think we have a different conception of bottleneck. So when the i7 is a few frames behind the i3 or i5, the i7 is bottlenecking the GPU? I think there's a lot more noise in the data than that. I wouldn't consider any difference of less than 3% to be a significant bottleneck.

If you look at the links, the largest difference was 5 FPS in Arma 3 at 2560x1600 with a Titan X. The FPS went from 83 to 78. That might be the beginnings of a bottleneck, but I don't see it being very relevant for a 970 gaming at 1080p at 60Hz. And even then, I don't think it's worth the cost of an i7 to get those 5 FPS back, even if you had a Titan X. Honestly, the biggest potential bottleneck here is the monitor.

QSV · Aug 31, 2015

Read my last sentence again and inform yourself a bit better about the games I mentioned.
Your benchmarks are just some of many, many of those show something completely different and yours are not really comparable with this case anyway. Completely different hardware, not to mention that that test is from 2 years ago. Much has changed in that EARLY ACCESS game since then.
This is also an old test, but it still gives you an idea how CPU dependent that game really is: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Arma-3-Spiel-18157/Specials/Arma-3-Technik-Test-1087829/
Almost no change, especially in min. FPS. Cant show a CPU bottleneck more obvious than that.
Another huge part I also didnt mention: MMOs.

RCFProd · Aug 31, 2015

The point is that he already has that CPU and it will handle the GTX 970 really well in most games. The CPU, even though it will have minimal bottlenecks in some games, the Haswell core power above 3.0 Ghz is powerful enough to give that GTX 970 a good run on work load.

QSV · Aug 31, 2015

The point is that he asked if there will be a bottleneck and I told him there there will be a bottleneck on some games.
Youre just trying to for whatever reason to make it look like I said something completely different.
Seriously, learn to read.

honkuimushi · Aug 31, 2015

QSV :

We're getting off topic, so I'll leave it here. The graphs stay pretty much at the same percentage even when the details are changed and most of the cards are in about the same tier. It may show a CPU bottleneck, but I would like to see runs where the graphics cards had more variance or they had used the same GPU, but different CPUs, like in the techspot article. In that, going from the highest i7 to the lowest i5 takes you from 53 FPS to 50 FPS. And that's with a Titan. It definitely shows a more significant impact with lower powered chips. But if you're still bottlenecked with an i7, there's really nothing he can do about it.

If there was something else there, I might very well have missed it. My German is limited to a few random words. I usually stick to English and Japanese.

MMOs are a bit more reliant on the CPU, but it varies quite a bit. In any case, a 970 and an i5 will probably put you in the top 10% of specs for just about any MMO.

RCFProd · Aug 31, 2015

QSV :

TL;DR

... Seriously though, I understood completely what you said. It was not necessarily an answer to your question as otherwise I would have quoted it. I didn't. No need for butthurt.

QSV · Aug 31, 2015

...
Whatever.

Again: this site needs a block list.

RCFProd · Aug 31, 2015

Butthurt level increased.

Panos Beltis · Aug 31, 2015

Guys...please, don't fight. Please. Can't we just talk it out and laugh about it? There's no reason to be like that.

As for my problem, you all gave me very good answers, and help, can I choose more than one best answer? I don't want to be unfair to many of you.

Also, is my cpu a decent one? Because, if it's gonna get bottleneck, that's bad news, right? Is it gonna be fried or smth? :s

So far I change :

Air fan - model name?
PSU - thanks for the eshop page!
gpu - 970 4gb is gonna be ok?

thanks!

QSV · Aug 31, 2015

Its not going to get fried or something. It just means it not going to run at peak performance in some games that use a lot of CPU power.
The 970 is fine.
Just choose whatever answer you think helped you most. I cant speak for the other, but I wont be mad or "butthurt" if you chose someone else.

Panos Beltis · Aug 31, 2015

Aaaaaand....that is very bad for....? :/ I mean...If I can play one of the games I mentioned on Ultra settings with max everything, is it gonna get freeze? Or have a slow time? Or being overheated the cpu?

RCFProd · Aug 31, 2015

It will stiill perform greatly even when bottlenecking. Arma 3 just performs poorly doesn't really matter what system you use.

In games like BF4, Far Cry 4, GTA V, Witcher 3 you'll be sitting 60+ fps at high/ultra.

Just search '''i5-4570 + GTX 970'' on Youtube. There you will see how good the performance is really.

Panos Beltis · Aug 31, 2015

Thank you all. I seriously owe you so much. Now I need to do the upgrade when I got my money. Thank you again!!! All of your answers were great and helpful!

Panos Beltis · Aug 31, 2015

btw quick followup question. My specs on PC Gaming Debate, shows that I can't play AC Unity with my gtx 750 Ti. I played it anyways some months ago...everything on very low. on a resolution 1920x1080. If I play at minimum with this resolution, my gpu plays it, but it's like everything on cream graphics. And sometimes it lags/freezes. So, my question is...can I play it on medium on a window 1280x1024 resolution?

RCFProd · Sep 1, 2015

All you can do is try it. AC Unity is terrible for PC so I'm not sure what will happen.

Panos Beltis · Sep 1, 2015

You mean it was badly optimized for computer? That's bad.

Panos Beltis · Sep 8, 2015

Guys, it's time, I got my 400 euros, finally...now...I can upgrade my rig. And I'm so confused and anxious right now, I don't know which or what to do.... XD

Any chance I get Bottleneck? About GPU, CPU, PSU. Please, help me.

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