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So I recently built a pc and i need to know if my 430w power supply is enough, i have a gtx 960 ssc 2gb, 8gb ram, intel i5 4690k, asrock h97m pro4 motherboard. My computer doesnt even run bf4 at 60 fps medium settings. Im wondering if its my powersupply and because its so low I cant get full performance out of my pc
 
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No problem with that ... even with telling them twice in a row :)

By the same token, that doesn't mean all the instances of posts where they have been problematic, went up in smoke, etc are any less valid. Or, answer question as to why Corsair / Newegg is moving them at $17. There's a reason why sayings like "ya get what you pay for" become commonly used, and that's because they are **commonly** (as in not always, but more often than out) borne out.

Even a great PSU can fail ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151154

Some may also be concerned that the unit didn't pass Bronze 80+ certification....or that it doesn't shut down if voltages exceed limits of the ATX spec. I understand they had to buy low...

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What is your exact PSU model?

430 watts is really cutting it, especially if you did any overclocking i would say a Tier 1 450W would be safe.

In the mean time check if your CPU or GPU is thermal throttling by using:
Aida 64
MSI Kombustor

Use these tools for further diagnosis:
GPUZ
CPUZ

Also what resolution are you on? If it is 1440P or above the GTX 960 will struggle.
 
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications

Thermal and Power Specs:
98 C = Maximum GPU Tempurature (in C)
120 W = Graphics Card Power (W)
400 W = Minimum Recommended System Power (W)
1x 6-pins = Supplementary Power Connectors

A decent 430 watt PSU will do just fine if not overclocking.... problem is a "decent" 430 watt PSU is quite rare.

On the other hand, as the EVGA SC / SSC models have plain reference PCBs, they won't deliver the performance, nor pull the PSU load, of the competition's non-reference cards.

A run with Furmark will tell you if the PSU is having problems.... of course one indicator of having problems is PSU failure
 

KKAW

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Try using the programs i suggested to make sure it is the PSU that is causing the issue.

If it is get a good quality PSU, in your case wattage doesn't mean too much because your build is very power efficient.

Some excellent choices:
SeaSonic 520W M12II
XFX TS 550W
EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W
 

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Those apps while let me know whether or not its my psu, cuz i think it may be the psu so im gonna try to get a new one, all my parts go over the requirments for games. I have nvidia precision x 16 and when i was playing planetside 2 the tther day it was jumping from 400 to 1250 mhz
 

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What resolution are you running? Are any of your components overclocked? I would say just go ahead and upgrade the PSU to be safe. Plus, a 430 watt PSU that delivers 100% of what it is advertised is hard to come by. I have a pretty good feeling that it is your PSU, but use some of those programs that others have listed just to be sure. Also, make sure your computer is set to high performance mode. Also, how many hard drives do you have? How many Case fans?
 

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So i ran furmark and i get around avg of 1430 MHz at 77 degrees Celsius with around 1130 voltage
 
It happens.... gramps lived to 86 years old smoking 2 packs a day of non filtered Camels. Still, I wouldn't recommend it.

My concern is the primary capacitor being a single Chinese made Samxon. It's a "good PSU for the money", but not something I'd put in a build with a 4690k and 9xx series GFX card.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1431436/why-you-should-not-buy-a-corsair-cx
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2235953/started-smoking.html
http://www.overclock.net/t/1470731/corsair-cx600-psu-on-smoke

The words "Builder Series" (Antec, Corsair, whomever) immediately put one in the mindset of something you find in a pre-built PC made by a system builder and sold at Walmart or BestBuy. Great price, but not something I would risk to if I need to depend on the PC




You're golden .... max temp on that card is 98C and it starts throttling if you break 80C
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications
 


My GTX960 is running on a 400w Builder Series PSU and that is also folding 24/7.
 

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I still cant run games like planet side 2 on medium settings i struggle to get 35 to 40 fps, same with bf4, unless i need to optimize something
 


Deja vu all over again :) I'm not sure why it bears repeating.

Your success in folding with CX series PSU does not offset my concerns considering the 2 other CX PSUs that went up in smoke that I linked to. Kinda like driving while inebriated... the fact that someone made it home w/o dying or killing someone else doesn't mean it was a good idea. The number of up in smoke, sparky, failed , do not buy posts are just too numerous....and it doesn't change the quality of the caps inside.

The fact that it is now selling for just $17 on newegg is not exactly a recommendation. Seems like they trying to clear stock. $50 - $10 discount - $20 rebate - $3 coupon code

When I look at the X99 Asus Maximus Extreme, the fact that 90.45% are not returned under warranty in 6 - 12 months of ownership, does not have quite the impact as the 9.65 % (almost 1 in 10) that were.

When I look at the Asus X99 Deluxe on newegg, I am not all that impressed that 33% of users gave it 5 eggs, in fact that's a poor recommendation in and of itself .... I am much more concerned that 33% or 1/3 of users are so extremely dissatisfied with their purchase that they gave it the absolute worse possible rating of 1 egg. Just don't like the odds either way.
 


A simple fact of life is that people only tend to get vocal and complain when things go wrong but they rarely speak up when things go OK, which is why I tend to ignore surveys or two links to dead PSU's. For me it's my own personal experience that counts hence why I don't see a problem with telling the world that I have a CX430 and it works just fine with a 190w card.
 
No problem with that ... even with telling them twice in a row :)

By the same token, that doesn't mean all the instances of posts where they have been problematic, went up in smoke, etc are any less valid. Or, answer question as to why Corsair / Newegg is moving them at $17. There's a reason why sayings like "ya get what you pay for" become commonly used, and that's because they are **commonly** (as in not always, but more often than out) borne out.

Even a great PSU can fail ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151154

Some may also be concerned that the unit didn't pass Bronze 80+ certification....or that it doesn't shut down if voltages exceed limits of the ATX spec. I understand they had to buy low end capacitors to meet the price target, but I'd have been more comfy and would pay more with a step up from Samxon which was used in both primary and secondaries.

What it comes down to in the end... is whether you have a statistically significant number of sources to draw on and the relative % of each. It's called playing the percentages and why a baseball manages sends a message to the bullpen to "bring in the leftie" .... because there is a small but statistically significant advantage to doing so. yes peeps complain more when things go south but they just don't do that for certain models; in fact the more they spend, the more likely they are to complain. But if you can go from 1 in 4 being negative reviews to 1 in 6 being negative reviews, and the source material has the numbers to be statistically significant, then thise numbers should be factored into the decision making process.

It's a gamble and it's gambles favor the pecentages .... OTOH, it's gotta be said that... all you are risking is $17 so a good argument can be made that better to risk $17 at higher risk than $45 at a lower risk. Both arguments are valid, assuming of course nothing gets taken down with it if the PSU dies. I don't have money to burn but the one thing I have less of is time. The increased possibility of potential hassles of RMAs, rebuilds is a bigger issue to me than spending an extra $30.... for someone on a tight budget, the $17 option might be more attractive. Neither choice is wrong under appropriate circumstances.

But wow, 190 watts from a 960 ? Gigabyte model ?




 
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No, I said the CX430 is running an R9 380 and the Builder Series 400w is running the GTX960.
 

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After being in a similar situation, I upgraded to a 600W that barely fit the mid tower of my CTO. I noticed a great improvement in several areas.

The new PSU had 2 fans which provided better cooling than the stock one & it provided enough power for my new nVidia graphics card to run smoothly. I also noticed my USB devices would stop disconnecting randomly.

I think the biggest help was the additional power and the fact that the computer could run at a higher clock while staying cooler.
 

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I think speed Demon is right on. I would definitely get a higher wattage PSU. Keep in mind the PSU is something that you don't want to cheap out on. It's actually the last part that I would be cheap about, mainly because the stability and longevity relies all on the PSU. If you decide that you do want to get a high quality PSU, than Corsair has got you covered. I highly recommend the CS series as well as the RM series. Remember to click "pick as the solution", on the post that answered your question most fully.