My 7 weeks old GA-Z97X-GAMING 3 died running Prime 95, I need RAM and cooling tips.

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My CPU is i7-4790k, RAM is G.Skill 2400 mhz CL 10 and cooler is Seidon 120v. My temps were between 32/55 Celsius idle/load running 3D Mark Firestrike so I went with the overclocking. I activated profile in the bios to be able to run the RAM at 2400 mhz. I forgot that with RAM running at that speed the CPU is overclocked already so I overclocked it even more. I selected 4.7 Ghz from automatic feature in the bios and rebooted. Running 3D Mark temps went up to 32/65 Celsius idle. The problem was when I ran Prime 95. The temps went to about 100 Celsius so I stopped the test after a few minutes. I undo the overclocking, but after a few hours of normal use the PC went off and never booted again. It was under warranty so I RMA it, they should receive it today. I won't know if everything else is OK until the board comes and I test everything. The questions are what did I do wrong? Is the RAM too much for my system? Is the cooler not enough?

I was thinking about running the RAM at a slower speed and lower latency like 1600 Mhz CL 7, do you think the RAM can do that? Also get better cooler with 240mm radiator. I found some sub $90 solutions that need your advice about. The first one is Silverstone the second one is LEPA. Are those good enough for my situation? What else can be done so the PC don't die again? Thanks in advance for your help!
 
Run Version 26.6 of Prime 95!
Start at stock and increase Vcore and multiplier step by step and increase the multiplier one step at a time until it becomes unstable.
I would rather use 'big air' than that liquid cooler.

Stop as soon as temperature goes over 95C.
 

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Point me to a good air cooler!
 
I have overclocked my i5 4690K to 4.8Ghz, with 16Gb of 2400Mhz memory (G.Skill Trident X) using a Noctua NH D15s, so that, or the even better DH15 would do. However, I got to 4.7Ghz with the same parts using the RAIJINTEK Pallas, which is a modest air cooler.

You need to understand a little more about overclocking that chip. The i7 4790K is very powerful and small, so it runs comparatively hot. If you have your cooler installed properly, your idle temperature should be around 30 degrees at 4.0Ghz. some people have reported higher idles, up to 40C, but in most cases, the backplate of their water cooler was not seated properly, or the chip was running at full Turbo Boost Speed of 4.4Ghz. From what you have said, your idle looks fine.

Using XMP profile in your BIOS will get the memory to 1.65V and 2400Mhz simply, and it will not increase their temperature much. One advantage of an air cooler is that the 'stray breeze' also cools memory and VRM on your motherboard.

Use Prime 95 Version 26.6. from here: http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=101&lid=758 It is a good stress test for overclocking, but does not use some instructions that super-heat the CPU.

When you get to this point run a stress test and use HWMonitor or similar to check temperatures. If they ever go over 95C stop at once. OCCT from here: http://www.ocbase.com/index.php/download is another stress test that is more gentle, and ASUS's RealBench from here http://rog.asus.com/321702014/news/realbench-v2-2-available-to-download/ is a good general benchmark and a separate 'real' stress test.

When you use automatic overclocking or software other than BIOS, it applies enough voltage to the chip to get to the desired speed in most chips, which is often more than you need for your chip.

I prefer to work the other way around. It is slower, but, for me safer.

I use the Override voltage option to set the Vcore to a reasonable, higher voltage, 1.25V, and set the multiplier to 45, and run a stress test. If everything is stable, you can increase the multiplier one step and rinse and repeat until it is unstable. THEN, increase the Voltage by 0.05V, in this case it would be to 1.30V then continue to raise the multiplier and test.

Once you have found the highest stable multiplier at a voltage under about 1.35V, reduce the voltage by 0.01, and test again. This takes quite a bit of time.

Cliff Notes version.

1. Try to find if it is stable at 4.5Ghz with 1.25v; (You need to know how much above average your chip is)
2. If passed, then increase the multiplier to by one (4.6Ghz first time around)
3. Increase Vcore by 0.01 until you get a stable result. (OCCT will detect unstable very quickly)
4. Rinse and repeat.
5. Increase 0.01v for safety. (I would not want to go over 1.35V of 24/7 use) and I would not want the Temperatures in the RealBench Benchmark to exceed 65C to 70C.

If the first test at 45 is unstable, bad luck (Turbo boost is 4.4 Ghz, so you should be able to do this).

It is a fact of mathematics that half of all chips are below average.

Once you have a stable overclock, you need to adjust the overclock mode to Adaptive and re-jigger the voltage, to get the idle voltage down to normal. Using Override means that the chip is running at that voltage all the time.

 

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For how long should I run OCCT for unstability test?

I RMA my Gigabyte mobo, but it sustained damage during the shipping process so they voided the warranty. I got a new ASUS Z97-A/USB 3.1 and my PC is running again. However it looks like the CPU sustained some light damage cause now I get higher idle temperatures, 35-40 degrees to be exact. I remember that the automatic overclocking feature in the Bios set the voltage at about 1.42v which is too much according to you. No wonder why the Gigabyte mobo died, that should have damage the CPU slightly also. I ran OCCT and it went too hot even at stock speeds with a voltage of 1.25v in just a few minutes. I have a Hyper 212 Plus from my old build which I tested and it do worse than the Seidon 120V for about 5 degrees. When I play games I get temps of about 60 degrees which is OK I guess. As you can see OC will not be possible for me.

What should I do now? Should I get a better cooler? Should I RMA my CPU? Thanks in advance.
 
I run OCCT with one minute preparation, ten minutes of test, and five minutes of cool-off. The i7 4970K runs hot, idle 33C ish, and 60C or more in heavy use. The Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO should run at 80C or less on an OCCT test. You can probably overclock to 4.5 or 4.6 Ghz. I'm surprised that your cooler does so poorly. Are you sure it was mounted and working properly?

If the processor was damaged, it will need more voltage to achieve a given frequency.
 

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I just remember now that core 0 gets an error when the CPU don't get hot. What should I do? Can you give me some tips about how to install the cooler?

Is there a chance that you know if the light that separates the audio area from the rest of the motherboard is supposed to turn on in the Asus mobo? Is a long light that goes from the speaker connectors to the sound chip. It turn red in the Gigabyte mobo but I'm not sure if it's supposed to turn on in the Asus mobo. Sorry for the slight topic change, but I posted that question in the mobo section and I didn't got an answer and was hoping that you know.
 

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I re-installed the cpu block with new paste and the temps improved by about 5 degrees, but they are still running hot from 85 to 93 degrees at full load running OCCT. Thanks for suggesting me the Noctua cooler, but that thing is huge and I rater get a compact water cooler a try and have more space available inside the case. I'll give the Cooler Master Seidon 240M a try. I saw a Youtube video in which the 240M did better than a 120mm cooler by 20 degrees, it wasn't the Seidon 120V tho. What do you think?
 
If you are going to go to fluid, go big. Look at the four big best, the Seidon 240, the Nepton 240, the Kraken x61 and the H-220X

Yes, the Noctua is huge, big air is huge. The smaller C14 might work. If space is an issue 'big liquid' is worth considering. Will the radiator fit in the front of your case?

I don't know about the detail differences between ASUS and Gigabyte, sorry. ASRock, I know :).
 

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The radiator will fit on top. The case is the Thermaltake Chaser A31 Thunder Edition. I'll pick the Cooler Master Seidon 240M. That cooler has good reviews and on top of that it has a $25 prepaid card offer. I'll post the temp improvements once I get it.
 

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Can you share your model and opinion about your motherboard? I'm not satisfied with just one PC and want to build another one for my room. I might decide to go with ASrock for my second PC.
 
Motherboard manufacturers are like car companies, they all make a range of products and all the major brands make some very good products and some 'average' products, or ones where the price/performance could be better.

The area if most concern is the bottom end where the prices are low and the manufacturers have to save costs somehow.

ASUS has an excellent reputation and makes good solid products. However, there are usually good products with better price/performance made by others at the middle and low end of the market. ASUS is the 'safe' choice.

ASRock is the 'good enough' choice. Built with the right parts for the segment of the market to which they are selling, with very little 'unnecessary' or 'chrome', but what you need to be successful.

Gigabyte and MSI go for the Gaming and Power (sporty) market. If there is no ASRock motherboard at the right price, I look for a Gigabyte one, anywhere in the market, and the Gigabyte Z97X - Gaming 5 is an excellent all-round gaming, OC, SLI $120 board

Some low-end MSI boards are too cheaply made for my taste, and I often do not need the 'wizz-bang' features that they provide. like everyone else they make great high-end board.

From mid-range and above, motherboard selection is based in price, features, and future needs. In a few cases, specific board have a slight performance advantage in a particular area, and if that is something you need, the board is worthy of consideration.