Skylake or Haswell-E system for video editing?

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Hi!

Looking to upgrade my current rig, which is 80% used for video editing (15% gaming, 5% 3d), and got into a dilemma between going skylake or going with haswell-e.

My current rig:

  • Gigabyte GA-P67X-UD3-B3
    i7 2600k @ 4 ghz, with a hyper 212 evo
    2x8 GB + 2x 4 GB DDR3 1333mhz
    Asus Strix GTX980 4 GB
    SSDs: 840 evo 120 gb for os and apps, 240 gb for media cache, 830 evo 64 gb for hackintosh boot
    Various hdds
    Overall I have 7 drives atm but I can ditch the 64 gb ssd, plus i'm looking to swap the older hdds out for 3 tb ones.
    Deepcool Quanta DQ750

The two upgrade paths that I'm thinking about are the following:
Skylake one:

  • ASUS Z170-A
    i7 6700k
    Kingston HyperX Fury Black 2x8GB DDR4 2133mhz

Haswell-e one:

  • Gigabyte GA-X99-UD3 (or an Asus x99-a if you would recommend that more,)
    i7 5820k
    Kingston HyperX Fury Black 2x8GB DDR4 2133mhz

Which one would be better for video editing (mainly premiere pro, sometimes after effects and davinci resolve)?
Also for both choices would be the hyper 212 enough to keep them cool or should I invest in an AIO cooler also? My other concern is the RAM, feeling it might hit me more to move from 24 gb back to 16 gb, than what the upgrade brings, should I mix a 8 gb kit into the system? (as there are no 24 gb kits, and 32 gb is way expensive)
 
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no guarantee you can do 5ghz but 4.5 to 4.7ghz is usually straight forward on a 2600k and would be worth trying before spending out on a full

upgrade 4.5ghz would probably be ok with the cooler you already have

and as already said although skylake is newer if haswell-e offers more cores its probably the right choice

and you may be right that dropping to 16gb may have an effect
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both expensive options

is your 2600k not doing what you need it to?

i have a 2600k and still think its good enough not to justify the cost of upgrading

though yours is at 4ghz and mine is at 5ghz so a cheap option might be a better cooler and a bigger overclock
 
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I thought it was enough but lately, since we switched our main camera from and 5dmk2 to an a7s which has higher bitrate files, premiere started to hiccup a lot more, even to the point when a few days ago one of my projects (3 min long, with a few resource heavy effects such as filmconvert and data glitch) refused to render anything in the viewport for about 30 minutes, which almost cost me not arriving on time at a shoot, that's when I decided that I should really do something about it.

Do you think OC-ing it to around 5ghz would help with that?


 
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no guarantee you can do 5ghz but 4.5 to 4.7ghz is usually straight forward on a 2600k and would be worth trying before spending out on a full

upgrade 4.5ghz would probably be ok with the cooler you already have

and as already said although skylake is newer if haswell-e offers more cores its probably the right choice

and you may be right that dropping to 16gb may have an effect
 
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Well I guess I got my weekend program then.
Mixing a 8gb kit next to the 16 gb one, wouldn't be that more expensive so that is the least worrying part probably.
Do you have any starting points for me at going to 4.5? Currently I'm at stock voltage.
 
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mixing ram is hit or miss full stop--it may work fine it may not

for 4.5ghz you should only need to do the multiplier and cpu voltage

do multiplier first till its unstable then add a little cpu voltage till its stable

obviously check cpu temps but 4.5ghz isnt too extreme so that should be ok with your cooler

 
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CPU | Core i7-5820K | Core i7-6700K |
Codename | Hasewell-E | Skylake |
Core / Threads | 6/12 | 4/8 |
Frequency (GHz) | 3.3-3.6 | 4.0-4.2 |
L3 Cache | 15MB | 8MB |
TDP | 140W | 91W |
PCI-E Lanes | 28 | 16 |
As you can see the Core i7-5820K has more cores, more cache and more pci express lanes, 6 cores vs 4 cores, 15MB vs 8MB and 28 vs 16 pci-e lanes. Current pricing on Amazon for the Core i7-5820K = $409.97. The Core i7-6700K is priced at $449.95. Source http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_4?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=5820k&sprefix=5820%2Caps%2C277
To re-cap With the Core i7-5820K you get more Cores more Cache more PCI-e lanes for less money, $39.98 savings with current price levels. Be sure to check the performance between the processors in video encode and transcode here http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_6700k_processor_review_desktop_skylake,11.html and Premiere Pro performance here http://www.maximumpc.com/intel-skylake-review/
 
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Thanks for the links, sadly in terms of pricing here in hungary the 5820k is just a little bit more expensive than the 6700k, and the bigger price difference is in boards, but nonetheless I'm leaning toward 5820k.
 
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Yea I know, I'm mixing ram currently too, cause I had two left over 8gb kits before i switched to a 16gb kit. And one of those doesn't even boot mixed with the 16gb kit.
I guess it comes down to the question of the cooler, if the hyper 212 can handle the new cpu without problems at stock I will go and pick up a 32 gb kit from the price difference.
 
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at least if you have to upgrade can still sell a 2600k for about half what i paid for it four and a half years ago thats holding value pretty well really for pc components

if i wanted to upgrade to skylake 6600k would cost me about £450 for cpu motherboard and ddr4

my 2600k and ddr3 and motherboard still would go for about £300 so the 2600k was a good buy back then
 
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Good for you, if I go with the 32 gb route even with a skylake, it's going to cost me about £527 cause of the high taxes here in Hungary, and if i'm lucky i could sell my 2600k for about £152. So I'm definitely trying the OC route first (probably in the following hours), and hoping it could fix my performence issues, and then I only have to pickup a h110i or something. Well that alone almost cost as much as the 2600k used :D
 
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give the overclock a go see how it helps

i dont do serious video stuff but the few times i have messed about with it the 2600k overclocked (hyperthreading on) seemed pretty good to me

yeah taxes/vat and stuff is a pain--hurts every time i see stuff in the usa so much cheaper than over here

 
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Still messing around with the oc, currenlty I only manage to get a succesful boot at 4.4ghz with 1.3vcore, however noticed something "strange", nor cpu-z, nor hwmonitor manage to read the cpu voltages correctly, which is worrying a little bit for me, cpu-z reads 1.056, while hwmonitor reads 1.056 v at cpu vcore and at cpu it does 1.284 v, aida 64 also reads 1.284.
Could it be because my bios is still the original f2 version which came out in 2011 when the board was released?
 
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Set llc to lvl3 atm, it still reads 1.272-1.284 in hwmonitor when stress testing however, but without llc setting it's crashed after 30 secs, with lvl3 it's going for 6 mins in aida atm, with 4.4ghz @ 1.305v.
How reliable is realbench/cinebench/aida64 for short stress testing? I plan on running aida overnight (or day, my sleep scheudle is over the roof lately), but would like to find a more or less stable oc before that with short stress tests, so I can test if the performance increase is enough (obv not working on anything important cause I don't want to crash in the middle of an edit)
 
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Well sadly the OC didn't really do the trick, so spending money here I come!
I still have two questions/worries about the upgrade however: will the 212 evo be enough to keep it cool at stock? And will my PSU (Deepcool Quanta DQ750 80+ gold) handle x99?
 
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