StellSeries SIberia Elite Prism vs Sennheiser g4me zero. Motherboard: msi z170a gaming m5

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Hello everyone!

I want to start by saying that i will use them mostly(90%) for gaming, when watching videos or movies i'll probably use speakers

As for topic name basically i would like to know which one is better between the StellSeries Siberia Elite Prism and the Sennheiser g4me zero in your opinion(better from a comfort/sound point of view) and i also would like to know if the onboard soundcard of my motherboard(msi z170a gaming m5) is even able to handle the Sennheimer g4me zero at the best of their capabilites.

Here is the description of the motherboard

In the description there's also written that Steelseries equipment works great with this motherboard, so, really, the Elite prism seems like the best and safest choice but from what i read the Seenheiser are just another level...... so i'm very conflicted

By the way, mostly i plan to play games like The Witcher 3, Phantom Pain, GTA, Dragon Age and the like, i don't know if it may help you guys verdict but i figure be precise wouldn't hurt.

Thanks to anyone who will respond! :)
 
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as for speakers, i was thinking more of some bookshelf speakers but that is completely your call. if you feel a headset is better then go for it.

what do you mean by not hearing yourself? are you talking about your "voice" playing through the headphones/headset or your "voice" hearing it leak in from outside the headphones? you can play audio from the mic in any headphones by enabling "listen to this device" on your mic.

the game zero, game one, pc363d are all good choices from senn. the adg1 and mmx300 are good choices from audiotechnica and beyerdynamic. but offer a different kind of sound as well.

generally speaking, headphones can be classified in these major "types" of sound signatures. based on what you have said i'm thinking...
while i'm not terribly familiar with the siberia elite, it is worth noting that generally audio quality from gaming headsets is inferior to good headphones with the exception being headsets designed by actual hifi audio companies which are based on actual headphones. the sennheiser lineup of gaming headsets are all based on actual headphone designs - the zero is based on the 598 i believe. audiotechnica and beyerdynamic have a few headsets as well based on headphones. or, its entirely possible to get headphones and a clip on or boom mic which broadens your choices even more.

can your motherboard handle the 598s? many motherboards are hit or miss although given you have decent onboard audio and it lists compatibility with high impedence headphones i think you have a decent chance of them working fine. onboard will never be equal to a good soundcard but you should be okay. if you went with higher impedance or harder to drive headphones i'd be a bit more on the fence but with the zeros (hd598) you should be fine.

what you forgot to mention is what kind of sound you want. did you want something neutral and lifelike? bass heavy? bass anemic but which gives you good advantage in fps? something very "fun" sounding? also, did they need to be open (better soundstage/positional audio) or did you need closed (noise isolating from the outside world but less soundstage)? also do you like your headphones bright (sharp detailed treble) or a bit more laid back?n

my own opinion is that so called gaming headsets are expensive crap. i see why people buy them since they are cheap and they get the job done however there are much better options out there if you want quality audio. if you buy into the whole true 5.1 thing there really isnt much choice but headsets although realize that more smaller drivers means less quality sound over larger higher quality ones at the expense of perhaps not as much 3d effect. you can emulate 3d effect on stereo headphones with virtual surround although with large soundstage headphones some users say they do not need it as they are fine without. realize that virtual does distort audio a little to achieve this effect (you can youtube virtual surround sound and find videos comparing the styles - mainly cmss3d/sbx, razer and dolby headphone).

perhaps the best buy would be the hd518 paired with a clip on mic or modmic given that the hd518 and 598 share the same drivers. the difference in sound comes from the design of the headphones (hd518 is a bit more bassy with less soundstage, hd598 is a bit more neutral with a bit less bass). the build quality is superior and the cups more comfortable on the 598 as well which is what you're paying for really - not as much a huge leap in sound quality. as for attachable mics the modmic is top class, the moovmic acceptable with lavalier microphones ranging from great to poor depending on model. the zm1 zalman is a cheap fix but only so-so in quality. good quality comes at a price.

sennheiser is not your only choice, but i'd need to know more about what you like/want in terms of sound to suggest otherwise.

is there a reason you do not want to use speakers for everything? (such as having a household full of people and late night gaming) if you combined a budget you could get some really nice speakers.
 

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Thanks for answering!

The main reason i don't want/can't use speakers for everything is because i am probably going to move in a few months so i may not have all the space i now have, meaning if right now i buy a 5.1 or even a 2.0 i may be force to not use it later on.

The idea here, since this my first gaming build and also my first audio build (right now my audio build is, and has been for the last 10 years-ish, a 10 bucks 2.1 set of speakers :p), is to go real safe. I want to buy a set of headset just to be safe in my choice and if possible i want it to be good enough so that when/if i'll actually get a soundcard or amplifiers i may just plug it in and keep using it.

Basically i want a headset that is good now, with my onboard sound card, that has a decent enough mic for multiplayer, and that has the chance to become even better by using amps/sound card later on.

Since i never actually used over-ear headsets, or headphones for that matter, i am a little "scared" by the prospect of not hearing myself when using closed headsets, but from what i gathered both Elite Prism and Sennheiser g4me zero have sidetone so there's that.
Maybe the Sennheiser game one? They are open and seem to have, like the game zero, high quality, or as much as possible, in sound and a good mic, again like the other ones

As for the sound i want, well i can't really aswer that because, as i said, this will be my first experience with headphones. I just want something that goes along nicely with the kind of games i listed in my Opening Post, something immersive, i guess, soemthing that makes the experience better.

Going back to the speakers, what would you suggest for a 2.1 implant? As i said, i'd like something good enough that i may upgrade with sound card/amp if the place i'll move in will not allow me to take a 2.0 or 5.1 implant, and at the same time cheap enough that i may discard it(sell it) if i'll have the possibility to get something better.

A 2.0 may still fit in if it's not awfully big, and if they're much better that the 2.1 i could actually consider that.

The budget for the speakers is about 100-150 as of now(maybe 200 if the 2.0 are really good and not that big), not much but i hope it'll be enough

Thanks again!


 
as for speakers, i was thinking more of some bookshelf speakers but that is completely your call. if you feel a headset is better then go for it.

what do you mean by not hearing yourself? are you talking about your "voice" playing through the headphones/headset or your "voice" hearing it leak in from outside the headphones? you can play audio from the mic in any headphones by enabling "listen to this device" on your mic.

the game zero, game one, pc363d are all good choices from senn. the adg1 and mmx300 are good choices from audiotechnica and beyerdynamic. but offer a different kind of sound as well.

generally speaking, headphones can be classified in these major "types" of sound signatures. based on what you have said i'm thinking neutral might be the best way to go for first headphones.
-completely neutral. moderate bass, moderate treble, nothing more in front than the others. most natural to sound as recorded.
-treble/mid focused. anemic bass. good advantage in fps games, but not as thrilling.
-mid/bass focused. anemic or subdued treble. for bassheads.
-treble/bass focused. v-shaped signature. "fun" sounding but vocals/mids subdued just a bit.

i was thinking you could go with a pair of bookshelf speakers like the pioneer bs22, micca mb42, dayton b652 or similar and pair them up with a cheaper amplifier that you can upgrade in the future when you have more cash. while you might not get the deep rumble of a subwoofer (without buying a subwoofer) it would offer tight midbass which should be good enough for most people.

hifi/home theater speakers really put pc speakers to shame. once you have used them, its hard to go back. i'm personally using a set of klipsch satelite speakers with a subwoofer and i know i would not want to play down to pc speakers. the hookup for a hifi/home theater 5.1 is a bit more involved than pc speakers but well worthwhile in terms of quality in my opinion.

for example, the top of the line pc speakers, logitech z906, for about $300 is nowhere in the ballpark in terms of audio quality compared with the energy 5.1 ($350+receiver cost) or the knock-off of them the monoprice 10565 ($221+receiver cost). receivers generally are at least $100-200 for low end rock-bottom pricing unless buying used. in short, for a bit more you get more than twice the audio quality - and there are no pc speakers which can best that. if you want to step up above something like the z906 only hifi speakers can do it.

under $200 can certainly get you started.

as i said before, if you're worried about budget, there are "budget" options rivaling the game zero/one you could go with.
 
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Ok, then! Thanks for answering my questions! When i talk about not hearing myself i talk about the fact that i never used close headsets so it will be strange being isolated from the world

I have just a few more remaining, do you think getting a Sound Blaster Z will improve the experience radically compared to the onboard soundcard of my motherboard? You said it's good(my motherboard's soundcard), so is it good enough that buying this sound card is not worth it?
Do you think it will give me problems with the onboard soundcard? In here it says it should be compatible but i find a human answer to be more reassuring :p

Btw, what would you recommend for gaming? The g4me zero or the g4me one? Thanks!

EDIT: Unfortunately none of the speakers you recommened are available over here in Italy, some others?
 
in terms of audio quality high end onboard is about equal to low end soundcard. high end soundcards trump any onboard while low end onboard is the worst. you're about in the middle in terms of quality.

you would get slightly better clarity out of the z as well as a very strong amplifier which while not as strong as some dedicated headphone amps (external) is good enough for moderately hard to drive headphones.

the game one is open while the game zero is closed. generally open headphones (and i know the hd598 is the headphone the game one is based on) will have wider soundstage and better positional audio then closed designs. sometimes they are a bit crisper as well. closed designs sometimes offer better bass and as expected muffle external noises a bit and do not leak much sound out. open are generally suggested unless you have need of closed.

italy eh... i know prices for wharfdale diamond speakers is pretty reasonable in UK perhaps you have similar fair prices. nice speakers. diamond 9 or diamond 10 perhaps. i'm not too familiar with other euro brands but am sure wharfdales are good stuff worth owning.

more than what you're thinking in terms of budget - but the dt990's are pretty low in price in europe compared to other headphones. you'd need an external mic and headphone amplifier though which boosts prices high but just thought i'd mention that fact to consider. open headphones, legendary comfort, wide soundstage, sharp bright treble with great detail and pretty strong bass which is odd for open headphones. a v-shaped "fun" sound profile. generally one of the best buys per dollar in terms of sound quality if you like the kind of sound they offer. again, in total with everything you're going to run more than your budget though.
 

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Unfortunately i can not find those speakers either (well, i can but the only shop that sells at a good price has crappy ratings).
I don't to waste your time so i'm just gomma make you a list of the speakers i can find on Amazon over here(i'll use amazon.com for better understanding):
1- Bose companion 2 series iii 2.0
2- Logitech Z-623 2.1
3- Logitech z-323
4- Genius sw-g2.1 2000

Generally i would like them to be decent/good at dialogues and music that can be found in games such as those i listed in the OP, just in case the headset's broken, and for movies, Youtube videos and such.

About the soundcard, so, jsut to be sure, your verdict is that i should get it?

Thanks for answering all of my questions, hope these are really the last ones :p
 
all of those are pc speakers, so really arent so great. fair yes but your headset would be better.

heres a pair for 145eur http://www.amazon.it/Wharfedale-10-SR-Diffusori-Acustici/dp/B003535MI4/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1441847086&sr=8-17&keywords=wharfdale+diamond and 160 eur http://www.amazon.it/Wharfedale-10-0-Diffusori-Acustici-Scaffale/dp/B0032AYGAU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441847166&sr=8-2&keywords=wharfdale+diamond

thats about $160-180usd. on the higher side of your budget since you need to go over it to get a good amplifier ( not a soundcard!) to power them, but doable.

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if you go the headset or headphone route, you can likely use your onboard so getting a soundcard like the Z really is optional. it certainly is going to help out and be a good addition but it is not strictly required unless you run into issues with your onboard. consider it your choice. if you're willing to shell out the 80eur extra for the Z perhaps its worth considering something like the dt990pro paired up with a modmic as costs are going to run similar to something like the game one (you'd need to use at minimum the creative Z or a decent headphone amp to power the 990's).