AMD-FX-8350 vs. Intel-i5-4460

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I'm having a really tough time deciding between these two CPUs. I am building a desktop computer that will be used to play games like skyrim, tf2, Shadow of Mordor, the 2015 star wars battlefront, and some other triple a games that may come out in the future. It will also be used for school so I will need it to not be slow when I use things like Word, Chrome, and the occasional video editing. I would really not like it if the computer lagged when I used things like Word or Google Chrome. I'm coming from an i3 laptop and I just do not want to purchase something that will have the same kind of performance as that.

The fx-8350 is slightly better at everything except single core performance and it's power consumption/temperature. It is also a lot older (being released in 2012) It is also very good at overclocking, however I will not be utilizing that feature at all (mostly because I have absolutely no idea how to do that). Cost- ~ $163.00
The i5 is the "name-brand" and has a slightly higher single-core performance. (released in 2014) Cost- ~ $176.00

Both CPUs would be paired with an R9 380 gpu (4gb version). I just need some facts that can help me decide between these two. I've tried deciding on other forums but they are all biased there so I would really appreciate some cold hard facts about each brand or chip.

If there is a AMD cpu equal to or greater than the 8350 for an equal or teeny tiny bit more money (like no more than 10-15 dollars) then please list it down below.

So which cpu would be better for me; a student and gamer? Is the 8-core necessary and will it slow my speed down if I don't use all 8 frequently. Does the i5 not have enough processing capability for the games I want to play. I know it does have enough for word, chrome, and video editing.

Anyways thanks, I hope you guys can help me make a final decision on what cpu I should get for my first pc build.




 
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"The fx-8350 is slightly better at everything except single core performance and it's power consumption/temperature."

1. All FX series have a lot less stable fps in games. If you see every single gaming benchmark the FX 8000 series will have a very low minimum fps which means the fps drops a lot.

2. FX 8350 is worse in every single aspect when it comes to gaming compared to an i5 4460.
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Even a i5 3470 does better than the FX 9590. The i5 4460 will far outperform the FX 8000 series when it comes to gaming.

3. Another example would be my friend uses a FX 8350 and he gets very unstable fps on CS:GO around 200fps ~ 250fps. Meanwhile my friend with i5 4460 had a much more stable fps around 250fps.
http://i.imgur.com/8LBHwRn.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph8427/67510.png

Where are you getting your information from? It's as if you are saying a ferrari is far worse than a toyota
 
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We are not intel fan boys, we are simply giving fact based benchmarks.

Also the upgrade path for FX 8350 is non existent.
FX 8370 is not an option.
FX 9000 series are hot, very inefficient and you need a high end motherboard and a good cooler.

With the i5 4460 a i7 4790K or the non K version will be an excellent upgrade.
 
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for gaming the i5 is going to perform well in more games. The 8350 can perform very well in some games, but others it lags behind the i5 quite a bit. Having said that, with an r9 380 your going to be gpu bottlenecked most of the time anyway... But something like Skyrim, runs significantly better on the i5 than the 8350 which can not maintain stable 60fps regardless of gpu. There are other games like that. Neither should lag for something like chrome or word, but the intel would be faster for those. Video editing, can swing both ways, pure rendering with a program that uses 8 cores the fx is going to have the edge, but not so much that iot's a deal breaker especially since the primary use would be gaming. Your also going to have to spend more on a motherboard to support the fx8350, the cheaper 970 chipset or lower motherboards often have issues powering it, you would be looking at 990 series chipset. For the intel you can go with a cheap $50 motherboard and have no issues.
 
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Sadly you are intel fanboys. The FX is a more powerful processor than the i5 , but does require software capable of using all 8 cores to show its strength .
Even so single core performance is almost never an issue . Barely any current software is limited to using a single core .

As far as variations in FPS from AMD . Nope , havent seen that . And the FX is definitely better than the i5 in many online multiplayer scenarios . With 64 player maps and heavy graphic load it shines .


But in this case there are games mentioned that are not well optimized for multicore processors and the pendulum swings in favor of the i5 .
 
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Ok, i respect your statement and opinion.
Please comprehend the following:
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Multiplayer Games:
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Also my friend with a FX 8350 + R9 270X gets less stable fps on CS:GO and slightly lower fps compared to a i5 4460 + GTX 750 Ti.

Please defend your statement.
 
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"I am building a desktop computer that will be used to play games like skyrim, tf2, Shadow of Mordor, the 2015 star wars battlefront, and some other triple a games that may come out in the future. "

Additionally he mentions that he will play some triple a games, i've given triple a game benchmarks.

These benchmark's aren't even haswell they are one generation older but still outperforms the FX 8000 series. Haswell wll have a 5% ~ 10% increase in gaming performance.
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You seem to be an AMD fanboy in denial. Several charts and benchmarks have been presented to you, yet you dismiss them out of hand with zero evidence. If the FX is better, please present logical and scientific evidence such as benchmarks before you attack people trying to help you..
 
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wonderful pictures kkaw but there is barely any mention of the i5 in question , and none of the benches appear to have much to do with the OP's question .

They are either at ultra high res using a graphics card worth more than his budget , or are low resolution using ancient graphics cards .
You also dont appear to understand the 60 Hz limitation of most monitors . 60 Hz is 60 FPS . Thats the absolute maximum that most monitors can ever display . It wont matter if FRAPs is telling you one graphics card is giving you 90 fps and the other "only" 60 . What you see on the screen is 60 FPS .
But the one pushing 90 FPS is usually screen tearing and definitely dropping frames . Ninety FPS not a "better" outcome ,usually its worse .
In short benchmarks showing maximum FPS are slightly less useful than a bike with no wheels


This is pretty typical of what you see in modern games
http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html
http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retail-gpu-cpu-benchmarks/
Generally a builder with a fixed budget who saves on the processor can afford a better graphics card so often the FX is still a great choice
 
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Wow thanks you so much. I'm definitely getting the i5. I can clearly see the difference.
If you were wondering I got the somewhat false benchmarks from: (clearly not a super reliable source)
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4460-vs-AMD-FX-8350

Also would a msi h97 pc mate motherboard be overkill for a build with this i5 model? If I can I might look for a cheaper one that would offer the same performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130788
 
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Ive been building computers for about 35 years now so i have seen some trends come and go . I have also seen fanboys who make sweeping and ludicrous statements about one product or another come and go .Mostly based on their not having any experience at all . Probably they read a review , added 2 + 2 and came away thinking the world adds up to 5 .

BTW how does me recommending the intel option , in this case , make me an AMD fanboy?
 
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I've respected your statement and did not call you an AMD fanboy.

I'm having a hard time comprehending.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($52.97 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $559.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($163.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $596.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-08 23:52 EDT-0400

The OP stated he wants to play triple a titles. I've shown triple a game benchmarks.

The OP Stated he will play shadow of mordor, i've shown shadow of mordor benchmarks.

For occasional video editing the i5 4460 won't fall behind too much compared to the FX 8350. However overclocking the FX 8350 will result in performance similar to the i5 4460 in the games i presented however you will need a decent cooler for that which adds to the cost. (and a better motherboard perhaps.)
 
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Hey, since you have a lot of computer building experience, would a msi h97 pc mate motherboard be overkill for this i5 model? If it is I will look for a cheaper one so I can save some money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130788
 
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i5 4460 works great with any compatible motherboards as long as it is decent.

It's not an overkill, however going for something slightly cheaper wouldn't do you any harm. I would say the H97 Mate is an excellent option for your CPU.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 4GB SOC Video Card ($228.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($17.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $798.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-08 23:58 EDT-0400

Changed your higher cas latency memory to a lower one.

That motherboard will do you great.

Corsair 100R does the same thing but for a slightly cheaper price.

Ante HCG are excellent quality PSU's. NovaHEX is Tier 3.
Also 620W is more than enough.
 
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Have you heard anything good/bad about asrock?
 
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I personally use one myself.

Asrock is an excellent quality manufacturer for motherboards.
 
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I think you should use a board with the H97 chipset . the cheaper H81 and B series have so few features and expansion options that they are not worth it unless you are desperate .
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#c=100
are your choices . The Mate looks like a decent mb . I havent used one though
 
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Wow this forum is 100x better than the people on google+, but hey what did I really expect from them. I wish I could choose all of your answers as the "best" one. You and everyone else who commented (hopefully they see this) couldn't have given me a better explanation. Thanks so much
 
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Your price comparison is stupid

FX8320 , same part clocked lower and easy to OC
Mb with a 970 chipset , same performance
and the AMD options costs far less .
That you have to make a comparison like that says a lot about either your bias , or you lack of knowledge of AMD hardware
 
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ASRock is fine. You would be better off with a 280x. That is not a good price for a 380



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($199.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX Core Edition 850W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($17.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($89.75 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP 69.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($4.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $757.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-09 00:06 EDT-0400
 
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Thanks for helping out. ;D
 
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even if the 380 has 4gb vs 3?
 
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