[SOLVED] Extremely High Ping when others are using the Internet

Status
Not open for further replies.

SteveTheMiner

Distinguished
Aug 3, 2015
21
0
18,520
I play games like Minecraft and League of Legends and sometimes, I get this extreme spike of high ping which is ~300 - ~10000 ping (10000 ping is very rare but has happened).

Our ISP is AT&T U-verse, a 2Wire Gateway, and the default AT&T router, and I live in California. Normally, I get 20 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload.

Recently, I found out why I was getting these high amounts of ping. Youtube. Someone in my house watches Youtube a lot and I mean a lot and after he stops watching, my ping returns to it's normal, ~80 ping. Before you ask to use Ethernet, I am unable to use it due to the fact that my router is downstairs and my laptop is upstairs which makes it very difficult to use Ethernet.

So, is there anyway to limit how watching Youtube videos would not have such a huge impact on others?
 
Solution

I don't think QoS will help here. 20 Mbps should be plenty for YouTube + a game. 1080p Netflix only uses about 5 Mbps, and I can't imagine YouTube is much different.

My guess would be the bottleneck is the wifi. If it's an older router which doesn't support n or ac, then it's probably g which means all devices slow down to the speed of the slowest device. I can see that easily slowing down throughput to 5 Mbps or lower - enough for a YouTube stream to impede other traffic. In fact OP should run a speedtest over wifi to see if he's actually getting the full 20 Mbps over wifi.

To OP: You...

I don't think QoS will help here. 20 Mbps should be plenty for YouTube + a game. 1080p Netflix only uses about 5 Mbps, and I can't imagine YouTube is much different.

My guess would be the bottleneck is the wifi. If it's an older router which doesn't support n or ac, then it's probably g which means all devices slow down to the speed of the slowest device. I can see that easily slowing down throughput to 5 Mbps or lower - enough for a YouTube stream to impede other traffic. In fact OP should run a speedtest over wifi to see if he's actually getting the full 20 Mbps over wifi.

To OP: You say you're on a laptop. Take the laptop downstairs, and try plugging in with an Ethernet cable. Yes I know this won't work as a solution; you're only doing this to test. Go play your games, and see if you encounter the same ping spikes when someone else watches YouTube. If the cable eliminates the problem, then you've got several possible solutions:

1) Download WiFi Manager on your Android phone (I'm sure iPhones have a similar app available). Use it to see what wifi signals are in your house. Note the channels of the networks with strong signal strength. Now go into the router's settings and set its wifi channel to the least-crowded channel you spotted. You're trying to minimize interference so hopefully devices connect at a higher speed eliminating your problem. If it's a 2.4 GHz network, it'll look like you have 11 channels available (1-11). But in reality channel 1 covers frequencies from 1-5, 6 covers 6-10, and 11 covers 11-15. So there are really only 3 channels. Pick a channel (1, 6, or 11) accordingly. If it's a 5 GHz network (only available with n or ac), then you'll have a much wider selection of non-interfering channels.

2) Assuming your laptop supports n or ac, give AT&T a call. Complain that the router is slow with your brand spanking new laptop. A lot of times they'll replace your router with a newer model that supports n or ac.

3) If AT&T won't replace the router, you can buy your own router. Plug its WAN port into one of the AT&T router's LAN ports. Use the new router to set up your own wifi network. Make sure it's on a different channel than the AT&T router's wifi so they don't interfere. The person in the house watching YouTube will then be on the AT&T router's wifi. You will be on the new router's wifi on a separate channel. His traffic will no longer interfere with yours (at least not until 60 Hz 4k video streams become common - those are expected to take about 20 Mbps).
 
Solution

[strike]It is all good until they said they are on Wired.[/strike] I misread.
Honestly bandwidth and packet time/priority are too very different beasts. I have 20 megabit too and my ISPs crappy modem/voip box has its own flawed version of QoS that causes Youtube videos to massivly degrade network performance.

I do not think this was bandwidth intensive, but while it loaded the file no traffic could flow(this the request timed outs). It did not take long for the full video to buffer, but while it did all things go to hell.
35l5liv.jpg
 

SteveTheMiner

Distinguished
Aug 3, 2015
21
0
18,520


My router supports G. The info from my original post is from results of my speedtest. 20 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload is what I normally get according to Speedtest. While someone is on Youtube, the connection is lowered. As for the Ethernet, I can't do this due to the fact that I don't have a Ethernet cable. I am definitely not getting all the Mbps on my internet that I am suppose to have. As for Solution 1, I have a application to check wireless channels around my area and changed the channels back and forth and nothing gets better. Solution 2 is not viable as I have a G. And Solution 3 is connected to Solution 2 so it won't work.



I believe that my router doesn't support QoS.
 
I misread, I thought you did have Ethernet, my bad.

Without QoS all packets get the same priority. normally this is not too bad, but with multiple users it starts to get pretty messy because all packets have to run in single file in a sort of first come first serve.

Again, I feel this is more of an issue than download speed along.

Many acknowledgements or requests get sent when using the internet so once your limited upload is saturated(at 1 megabit it is not hard to imagine) things get that much worse(QoS works on ordering these actions so less sensitive things can wait the extra time without a noticeable effect). For this reason, I wish ISP's would offer a bit more upload on these types of packages.
 

Solution 3 will work with two 802.11g routers, as long as you put them on different channels and both channels are relatively clear.
 

SteveTheMiner

Distinguished
Aug 3, 2015
21
0
18,520

Unfortunately, I am unable to get another router.

 
Status
Not open for further replies.