Thoughts on Fury X + [New] Dell 1440p monitor. Is worth it for 3D rendering?

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I'm finalizing my current build, and have been looking at these two combinations as part of my whole system. I will be using it mainly for gfx rendering, (C4D, AE, Photoshop, AI, Maya)

For my current build this is what I have.
CURRENT BUILD W/O FURY X

And here's the build that I'm currently looking at going after.
BUILD WITH FURY X + 1440p monitor


I just need some ideas, as to how this build will perform. I know the two parts mentioned are quite new, worth trying to ask.
 
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1440p tips:
a) DPI scaling-> use between 25% and 40%

b) Windows 10 changed the scaling interface a bit, but basically make your way to "set a custom scaling level" if the defaults don't work.

c) Browser (quick)-> Ctrl + Scroll up/down

d) Browser (preset zoom for all pages.. can still apply ctrl/scroll for individual page though)-> get an ADDON to preset scaling/zoom
(I used NoSquint for Firefox but am looking for a Chrome version as I just switched)

e) run CLEARTYPE (may have to run a few times as some programs work with one setting and some don't work well. May be blurry or have purple tinge... not Microsoft's fault but people not updating program scaling to modern.)

f) disable display scaling on high DPI settings
(some programs...
Have you compared benchmarks between the FX-8350 and the i7-4790K?

I know there's a price difference, but keep in mind you should be comparing TOTAL cost of build not just the CPU cost.

Benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/3

*Does the FX-8350 win any benchmarks?

You have a combination of multi and single-threaded programs there. For example, Photoshop I don't think is well threaded a lot of the time so it would be do a lot worse with the FX-8350.

I don't have other benchmarks like MAYA but I'm not seeing any where the FX wins so far.
 

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I'd like to move to an Intel build, but I don't have the budget anymore, and the time to move to a 5th gen Intel. I was looking at the 5820K, I almost went for it, but it's just too expensive.
 
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1) If you get the i7 then I'd go with the Noctua NH-U12S. The U15 can also have issues with DDR3 memory clearance so be careful buying DDR3 memory if you buy it.

The U12S with the i5-4570K@4.2GHz for example spins at 300RPM idle and is barely audible at 100% load.

2) DDR3 memory 16GB:
If doing any VIDEO editing may want to get a bit more.

3) 1TB HDD - why not just get a 2TB for the small price difference?

4) W10 64-bit - Do you require the PRO version instead of HOME? (look up the differences but in general probably not)

5) MOBO - if you get an i7 CPU, then you can spend less money on the motherboard. It looks like you want to overclock a lot but since the i7 CPU wins the benchmarks why even go that way?

6) MONITOR - I know it's more money, but you may wish you had a 2560x1440 monitor instead with all the information you get with those programs.

7) SSD's:
Why do you have two of them? Is one for a scratchpad for video editing?
 

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Yeah, I encountered the ram clearance issue, but only when i switched to the 450D, not with my HAF 912.I'll look around more if I can just go with a water cooled CPU cooler at the same price.

The HDD is old, that's just backup for large files. Looking at going the SSHD route when I get the budget.

I'd rather not go through the hassle of rebuilding the system anymore, I'm happy with an AMD build. I can OC to 4.8ghz anyway.

Not sure if you saw... But, I am going after a 1440p monitor. I've seen the real estate it could give me, more than worth the investment.
 
Budget...

Yes, the i7-4790K is about $170 more which is a lot but it's also a better CPU. You also invested a lot in the graphics card which may be problematic if your CPU is slow that it's not feeding the GPU.

(You also have spent more money to support the FX-8350. About $35 more for a cooler, and $80 more than the Z97-E for the motherboard which would work just fine. That's $115 right there.)

There are also lots of times when the GPU doesn't help much or when a top-end GPU isn't much better than one far cheaper.

It's hard to find benchmarks for your scenario but based on ones I've looked at this feels like a pretty unbalanced system. I think you'd be far better off with something like THIS:

i7-4790K + R9-380

I'm going to put together a build, then I have to go. Feel free to ignore if you want.
 

Agreed (and they look nicer). My boss has a pair of 27" 1080p screens, and IMHO 27" is too large for 1080p at arms-length (starting to look a little coarse). I have a pair of 25" 1440p screens (U2515H's - ~30% cheaper than the 27" option!), and everything looks much finer - more like a printout than a monitor in terms of smoothness. The Dell U2715H the OP listed is indeed 1440p, but the Benq isn't.

 

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That build on top is already made. That Benq was just a monitor that I needed before I started working, because the old monitor that I was using wasn't representing color correctly. So, if I do buy a 1440p monitor, that will become a backup.
 

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I'm just going after the Fury X + 1440p combo. I just wanna know if the combo is worth the price that for what I need it for. I already tried that monitor, not really working well with a GTX card, so I might try it again with an AMD card.
 


Um...
I don't know what you mean by "not really working well" because I can buy a $20 graphics card which will work just fine with any monitor, assuming it has the proper connector (like DP or dual-link DVI). I had a cheap card driving my HDTV and 1440p monitor at one point.

The ONLY other advantage of a better graphics card is the performance gains if the program can make use of the GPU.

Spending all that money on a GPU without qualifying why you need one or asking specific advice doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Also, not sure where the whole "don't ask" regarding NVidia came from either because NVidia has better driver support. So:

1) If it's NOT for performance, but just to drive the monitor then we should find out WHY your current card is problematic then fix that (software or replace with different cheap card).

2) If it IS for performance, then we should find out which programs benefit, and frankly whether AMD or NVidia would be the better choice due to if they support CUDA etc.

3) Also for performance we should find out where the DIMINISHING returns kicks in because if you're spending $450 more than say an R9-380 but getting 5% faster render times it's probably a waste of money.

So exactly WHY do you need a different video card?
 

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It has power issues, mainly, and the DP port cannot be detected by the GPU everytime I turn off the monitor. I always access my computer remotely, like I am right now. So, I don't really like having my monitor turned on the whole day. I'm accessing two 1080p monitors at home right now, and I have no issues. As for the 1440p route, it's more a real estate choice. If you use any of the Adobe products, you'd know what I mean. As for the GPU, more of a personal upgrade, that would help along with C4D and some Adobe protect (i.e. Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere, AE.)

I have the budget, so I wanna maximize the build I currently have, along side a workstation laptop. My 960 is working very well, which is why I also thought of just going with one Quadro or Firepro, so I can just switch GPUs when needed (Lessens the chances of getting distracted by gaming).

If the need still isn't clear.

-- Real Estate
-- Productivity
-- Personal choice/want
-- I don't like nVidia's current business practices (My 960 is just a case of "Really need it now" for cheap)
-- Gaming during non-working days.

Finally
-- Productivity x2
 
1) Power issues?

2) DP not detected?
I don't understand this statement. If you turn off the monitor, do you mean you have to REBOOT the computer again or else the monitor isn't detected?

3) Monitor OFF...
Why don't you just let it go into Standby mode? I never turn a monitor off, and I don't believe your lifetime is improved by turning it off either.

4) Remote access...
You don't even need a monitor for remote access for the computer being accessed. As long as the computer is ON, or has WOL enabled so you can start it up no peripherals are needed aside from a network connection.

5) 1440p monitor:
I totally agree and I have one, and I love it. THIS is the one I currently recommend:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-pb278q

6) NVidia business practices:
I've investigated AMD vs NVidia quite thoroughly and determined that AMD is just as bad if not worse. They've completely MISLED about several things including Freesync vs GSYNC (claiming "9Hz vs 240Hz" support and that NVidia only had "30Hz vs 144Hz" and others stuff).

AMD crashed some NVidia events in poor taste. AMD made claims that they were incapable of supporting Witcher 3 and that NVidia had intentionally gimped the code to the detriment of even NVidia cards just so it would look much worse for AMD... well AMD came out with code to fix this in just TWO WEEKS and performance was almost EQUAL to comparable cards.

AMD said Mantle was going to be "open" looking like the good guys but then later when questioned closely they admitted they wanted to retain full control over the code. Not just now but forever, which is EXACTLY what they were pissed off at NVidia for with their "black box" approach (which NVidia is actually doing a good job of sorting out BTW).

Yes NVidia could look at the code but AMD wanted to plan the code and write the code so they would have foreknowledge of changes and could also tweak towards their architecture. That's not how "open source" is supposed to work.. the Mantle torch should have been a joint project or passed to a neutral 3rd party. It's a non-issue now though (and no, MS didn't implement DX12 because of Mantle).

*On the surface AMD can look like the good guy but if you dig a little deeper and do your research it's not quite so simple.

7) GPU?

Here's the tricky part, and the one I can't answer directly.

a) Write down a list of the programs you want GPU support for (Maya etc).
b) Find BENCHMARKS comparing performance and compare them.
c) If they vary significantly use the ones for the programs that you'll be using most of the time (at least for rendering time).
d) *Also note where the DIMINISHING RETURNS kicks in. I saw an Adobe Premiere benchmark that showed roughly 10% advantage using a Titan over using a GTX750Ti because most of the time it was using the CPU not the GPU.

Summary:
I hope this is clear. I'm not sure what to add, and basically it's on you to research the above performance deltas and draw your own conclusions.
 
1440p tips:
a) DPI scaling-> use between 25% and 40%

b) Windows 10 changed the scaling interface a bit, but basically make your way to "set a custom scaling level" if the defaults don't work.

c) Browser (quick)-> Ctrl + Scroll up/down

d) Browser (preset zoom for all pages.. can still apply ctrl/scroll for individual page though)-> get an ADDON to preset scaling/zoom
(I used NoSquint for Firefox but am looking for a Chrome version as I just switched)

e) run CLEARTYPE (may have to run a few times as some programs work with one setting and some don't work well. May be blurry or have purple tinge... not Microsoft's fault but people not updating program scaling to modern.)

f) disable display scaling on high DPI settings
(some programs launch with partial area zoomed in. For those which is often old games you have to apply the following to the program EXE through right-click-> properties->..)
 
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