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Hello,

I want a computer that can run games like Rust and Ark Survival fluently and will have a good lifespan. Right now my parts are adding up to 1677.89 CAD. If you think something is worth changing, any advice or suggestions about the parts would be very appreciated, for money shavings I think I might put toward balancing this computer (i5, GC 670) to be played in the same room.

Location-wise I find parts expensive here (Canada). These are what I cooked up from memoryexpress.com :

Processor: Core™ i7-4790 Processor, 3.60GHz w/ 8MB Cache
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX52060

Graphics Card: STRIX GTX970 DirectCU II OC GeForce GTX 970 4GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX53934

Motherboard: A88XM-A w/ Dual DDR3 2133, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, PCI-E x16
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47975

Power Supply: RM Series RM850 Modular Power Supply
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX48188

Memory: HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit (2x8GB)
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX51510

Hard Drives:
- 850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 250GB
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX55511
- 1TB Desktop HDD SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36523

Cooling: Cooler Master
Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36377

Case: Carbide Series SPEC-01 Mid Tower Case w/ Red LED Fan, Side Window
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX53556

OS: Win 10.

Thank you,
 
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Processor: Core™ i7-4790 Processor, 3.60GHz w/ 8MB Cache
Motherboard: A88XM-A w/ Dual DDR3 2133, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, PCI-E x16

Those 2 won't cook together you need H81, B85, H97 or Z97 chipset (probably even few more possible) for that CPU:
Here is a list of compatible mobos:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/parts/motherboard/#sort=a8&page=1&c=88,92,100,99

But I'd recommend to go with H97 chipset and mobo like ASRock H97 Anniversary for example.
Z97 is only sensible when you took K version of those CPUs and you want to overstock, if not H97 is sufficient. And no don't go cheap with the i5, that HT on i7 will make a difference sooner or later.

Also I'd personally swap that Seagate for Caviar Blue if possible.

The PSU seems like an overkill imo, for this build you hardly need more than 550W of some quality power, you can save few bucks here:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#W=550,1600&m=14,71,39&sort=a9&page=1

 
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since you will not be overclocking loose the hyper 212 use the stock cooler

for gaming 8gb 1600 ddr3 ( two 4gb sticks for dual channel ) 9 9 9 24 in 1.5v


http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33414


h97 mobo

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX52030



antec hcg 520w excellent unit more than enough to power everything

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37625







 
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if you're just gaming, an i5 is enough. you only need the extra if you do regular streaming, editing or other intensive stuff that uses hyperthreading.
an i5 4690K in a Z97 mobo will give you the option of overclocking if you need to.
 
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Having better cooling despite no overclocking is not a bad idea, especially considering those stock coolers whine like pigs when fans are at high rpm.
Choice still valid imo.



If thise Kingston hit 1866 at cl10, they will certainly get 9 at 1600.
Choice still valid imo.



W agree about that.



http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

This specific model is quite good actually, but 850w is overwhelming. Thus swap for something smaller/cheaper is not bad idea price-wise.

Also I'm not gonna agree with i5 suggestion. If you actually worried about single core performance then Z97 and i7 4790k is far more reasonable. Yes i5 is enough for today, but considering DX12 is coming HT / core count will start matter sooner or later. Its good suggestion if you are really tight on budget but not if you want to have some more performance ready when needed.

 
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->You're gone really wrong on the motherboard get one of these:
Either the Asus Z97-A or the Msi Gaming 5

-> the i7 won't help you in games untill you plan on sli in the future or want to do more intense tasks like rendering.

-> if you have the budget then liquid cooling is great for looks and overclocking better air fans help but not as much as liquid coolers and i7 chips tend to get hot. That evo looks bad from a case with a side glass panel but the liquid cooler is beauty.

-> If you are going to overclock an i7 get the 4790K you have the 4790 not the 'K' version which isn't gonna overclock as its a locked chip and if you're not going to overclock then you re fine with a stock cooler too.

 
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Ahh, thanks! I wanted to do streaming, but it would probably mess up my ping online.

I shall consider the CPU between i5 and i7; change the PSU; get the compatible Mobo; and Maxalge, are you recommending 8 GB RAM instead of 16? Is 16 overkill?

Thank you all! Very glad I asked before making a purchase.
 
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@tech-wreck
i5 just like 8GB RAM is enough when its enough until you face the day where it isn't. If i would buy a rig today i would focus on more threads despite what people say (actually I'm considering i7 4790k vs i7 5820k for my fresh build) I've been there with Core 2 Duo already, they said hey those few more MHZ are more important now since most games can utilize 1-2 threads max, guess what I've bought Core 2 Quad which is still working at the station I'm writing the post.... 7 years later there is finally a good time to see the real upgrade as i was used to pre 2000 with Moore's law.
So when they say its enough i go 1 step higher just in case it isn't.

@anti-duck
Exactly, better loose those few Mhz but keep the HT, that would be my suggestion also.

 
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if the extra threads would benefit you now, get an i7 now.
by the time all games start using 4 cores as a minimum, any upgrade you buy now will be the core 2 duo of the future... and by then we might all be discussing the relative cost-benefits of 1Mcore organic processors with 500GB of integrated memory... we can dream.
 
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- I think I would like to try streaming again, so I will go with the i7. I'm pretty sure I won't be overclocking, but for 40 dollars extra would the K bring any other benefit than potential overclocking? If I did buy the K would I have to change the Mobo?
- I'm leaning toward leaving the HDD and just getting a bigger SSD, the 500GB.
- Searched PSU's on Memoryexpress and, though it didn't have much available that was recommended, a lower watt cheaper non-modular PSU caught my attention and reduced the price of my build a good chunk. (CX Series CX750). Is this one suitable for my build?
- Also, OS Windows 10 is safe/worth it? I'm thinking I'll upgrade my old Windows 7 to 10 as well, if anyone knows some caveats about the new OS.
- And games in 1920-1080, anyone have a recommended, specifically reliable monitor? (I've experienced a few without lifespans and absolutely terrible holders requiring duck-tape etc.)


Intel
Core™ i7-4790 Processor, 3.60GHz w/ 8MB Cache

Kingston
HyperX FURY Black 16GB DDR3-1866MHz CL10 Dual Channel Kit (2x8GB)

Asus
STRIX GTX970 DirectCU II OC GeForce GTX 970 4GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort

Asus
H97-PLUS w/ DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, CrossFireX

Samsung
850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 500GB

Corsair
CX Series CX750 Power Supply

Corsair
Carbide Series SPEC-01 Mid Tower Case w/ Red LED Fan, Side Window

Microsoft
Windows 10 Home (64 bit) OEM


Thanks,

 
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no, cx corsair are no good. crap capacitors


this is good


http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX57679


this is a very good unit

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX57242
 
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The Xeon's that I mentioned are practically i7 4th gen processors with a slightly lower clock speed and no iGPU, but are usually a lot cheaper than an i7, they're still 4 core/8 thread products and personally, I'd go for an E3-1231 v3 everytime over a 4790.

If you did go for a 4790k, you wouldn't necessarily have to go for a Z97 as the 4790k would work on a H97 and there are a lot of H97 boards that even unofficially allow overclocking, but overclocking support could be patched out at anytime and because of the little to no price difference between H97 and Z97, you might as well go for Z97 if you did go the 4790k route. A stock 4790k has a 600MHz advantage over the E3-1231 v3 or a 400MHz advantage over the 4790, which is going to mean slightly better performance, but only you can decide if the extra cost is going to warrant the performance gain, have a look at some benchmarks is what I would suggest.
 
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As said above...
If you want here and now Xeon or 4790 are valid options the difference is about few hundred MHZ, both are fair choices, Xeon has a higher value / MHZ (economically better choice) and no iGPU (if thats is any valuable for you).
The thing is if you really concerned about those few MHz you should be looking for 4790K paired with Z97 in the first place for 2 reasons:
- 4790k has the higher base clock so right from the start you are the winner
- it can be OC'd @ 4.5GHZ with not much of an effort so you are again a winner when you feel base performance is a bit of lacking
OC can give you a bit longer period before completely getting a new platform in the future.
 
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