Will this run 4k max settings all games?

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

So I spent allot of time picking out what seems to me like a good pc capable of 4k on max settings for every game but I wanted to make sure. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Voxcious/saved/PgYKHx

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

Resolution of 4k is only one thing. Every game is very wide definition. I assume, you are talking about the most demanding and popular AAA games like Witcher 3 and GTA V. Important is, what FPS you want to achieve.

GTA V gets 44 fps at 4k max.
Witcher 3 gets 30 fps at 4k max.
> http://www.techspot.com/review/1011-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti/page6.html
More benchmarks
> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti,review-33214-4.html

If you are fine with 30 FPS and little higher, then yes, you should be able to use maximum graphical settings at 4K resolution. If you want achieve 60 FPS, then you have to downscale some settings. Even GTX 980 Ti in SLI couldn't do the 60 FPS job for every game with these settings.

DonkeyOatie · Sep 21, 2015

No. There is nothing I can think of that will run high FPS, Ultra settings and 4K. Because of a combination of intense action and poor coding decisions, some games cannot sustain high fps and Ultra settings at 1080p.

As was mentioned above, it would take SLI 2xGTX980ti (I would not go to 3xSLI)to get to what most players would consider adequate for most titles, and even then, in some circumstances, the frame-rates will drop.

As far as you system is concerned, you do not need liquid cooling, 'big air' will do.
I would use 2400Mhz memory (Trident X or Mushkin Redline) for a little more performance.
You need a much higher performance PSU. That is a 'mini-van' PSU for a 'race-car' system.

I'd look at an EVGA GS or G2 at about 1000W to allow for later SLI of your GPU and possible overclocking of CPU and GPUs.

Compuser10165 · Sep 21, 2015

Good build but there are a few things I would change. Firstly the motherboard you have chosen is as high end as it's price, but I think you are paying for aesthetics. For this price I would go for I Skylake build if you don't mind waiting for the I7 6700k to become available. Also, as suggested above I would pick the EVGA Supernova G2 850w or 1000w (850W Is fine if you are going just two-way SLI, in the future).

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

No. There is nothing I can think of that will run high FPS, Ultra settings and 4K. Because of a combination of intense action and poor coding decisions, some games cannot sustain high fps and Ultra settings at 1080p.

As was mentioned above, it would take SLI 2xGTX980ti (I would not go to 3xSLI)to get to what most players would consider adequate for most titles, and even then, in some circumstances, the frame-rates will drop.

As far as you system is concerned, you do not need liquid cooling, 'big air' will do.
I would use 2400Mhz memory (Trident X or Mushkin Redline) for a little more performance.
You need a much higher performance PSU. That is a 'mini-van' PSU for a 'race-car' system.

I'd look at an EVGA GS or G2 at about 1000W to allow for later SLI of your GPU and possible overclocking of CPU and GPUs.

Ok let me ask another question then, would this be too much if I just wanna run all games at the max settings (high and/or ultra) at 1080p with 60+ fps consistently? should I change the mother board to a Maximas VII hero and change the cooling system to aired and not liquid cooling? is there anything i should downgrade because its not something that should be used in 1080p or should I just change to a different monitor resolution higher then 1080p but not 4k would that work?

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

I have a GTX 970 and can almost play at maximum settings all games with 60 fps on a 1080p monitor and more. So, a single GTX 980 Ti is more than enough for this. If 1080p is too low for you (and this card), but 4k sometimes too high, then you can choose to playe in example 2k, which is 1440p. Depending on the game, this would be the sweet spot for a single 980 Ti, if you want 60 fps at almost all games. Air cooling is enough. Liquid cooling is for extreme overclocking, with extreme hot temperatures. Normal usage won't reach that. I don't overclock cpu or gpu. Air cooling is much easier to setup and costs much less and is enough in your case.

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

I am not sure what kind of cooling systen to get cause most of them seem really cheap (15-20$) maybe not looking at the right thing anyways does what I have here seem perfect for 2k gaming at 60+ fps on ultra I also dont know what motherboard to switch to the my intel core and the trident x memory that was suggested isnt compatible with anything but the one I had before (maximus vii formula)http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Voxcious/saved/JRfZxr

Compuser10165 · Sep 21, 2015

Here's a another possible build (you can keep the liquid cpu cooler if you want to.)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($369.90 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme7+ ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($241.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($183.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($664.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ATX Full Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($117.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1929.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-21 07:30 EDT-0400

There is a rebate on the motherboard and RAM on Newegg right now! (There is also a combo on the SSD+Mobo but that isn't worth it).
Kepp the rest of your parts (you can pick the MSI version of the gpu if you want, I figured this one is better for SLI in the future.) You can also pick a G-Sync 144hz 2560x1440p monitor instead which will also be a great choice.
P.S. Keep in mind that with this build you need to wait for the CPU to become available(but pick the parts you can right now, especially that RAM+mobo combo).

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

Sorry compuser im not looking for 4k gaming anymore i've decided to settle on whatever can run 2k or 1080p at ultra with 60+ fps with no problems. Im also using the computer for editing/rendering videos for youtube and also for streaming on twitch. my objective isnt really to save money on the build considering im gonna be building this over the course of this year and is gonna be my computer for the next 5 years or so until i upgrade. I still want a limit of around 2000 preferably but I will do 2500

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

I would stay with LGA 1150. Btw, there is no need in that high priced board. Take the same board what I have
> http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97extreme6

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

Here is an alternative list. The included cpu cooler is expensive, but is very quiet and cools very good.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($93.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($132.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card ($675.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G-750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.59 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 OEM (64-bit) ($87.99 @ NCIX US)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($37.24 @ Adorama)
Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 60Hz 27.0" Monitor ($366.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2254.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-21 08:12 EDT-0400

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

So far this is what i've got and I think its alright for the most part, I am gonna go with 1050 watt psu for future upgrading (sli etc) I changed the motherboard to the cheaper one you recommended because the one I had chosen was more for bleeding edge of todays technology kind of gaming builds, I am still not sure on what cooling system to go. I really wanted liquid cooling souly because it looks cool I wanted to get a nice red tubing liquid cooling but could not find one. I changed the memory I had for the trident x I got 2 of them for video editing rendering etc. But still not sure if this is all good for running 2k 60+ fps with no problemshttp://pcpartpicker.com/user/Voxcious/saved/k72wrH

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

GTX 980 Ti + intel 4790k 1440p benchmark - Google
> http://is.gd/ax3aLp
> http://www.gamersnexus.net/pc-builds/1967-gtx-980-ti-gaming-pc-build-for-1440p

The main two factors in fps and performance of gaming are graphics card and cpu. These two are enough for reaching average of 60 fps and more for almost any game at 1440p at maximum settings. There are some drops in fps, so its not constant.

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

Is there anything in my build that just seems too much? like my ssd? also why was that guy using a maximus ranger VII isnt that overkill for a mother board for only using a 980 ti and a 4790k?

Compuser10165 · Sep 21, 2015

Yes, your SSD is a bit too much. There is no reason to pay extra for the 850 pro. The 500gb Evo is just fine, you would be fine even with the 250gb evo.
Also I agree with the 1050w evga psu but I don't see a cpu cooler in your list. I understand your decision for not going with Skylake but in your place I would have picked the i7 6700k (even though you'll have to wait a bit to buy it). Regarding CPU cooler, you can pick the Noctua NH-D15 or NH-D14 if you are going high end air.

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

The board could be cheaper. The question is not only if you want overclock the ram and cpu, but also what connections you need and special features like Dual Bios or Four-SLI graphics card etc. And the higher priced models also consists of very high quality build and parts. The one ASROCK Extreme6 is such a high quality unit. I just don't see any reason to buy that extremely expensive Asus MAXIMUS VII FORMULA.

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

Can I liquid cool my CPU and air cool my GPU? If so is there a good liquid cooler I can use and a good air cooler just for the graphics card and of course I will use noctua for my entire pc air cooler. ill switch my ssd cause I was originally planning 4k but now that im going 2k may aswell downgrade to the 850 evo 512 and is there a huge difference in rhe 4790k and the 6700k? cause remember im building this in a course of a year so I got time to wait for its release.

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

Yes, you should be able to. But don't ask me about liquid cooling, I never did that. The GPU comes with builtin air cooling, so you don't need to do anything with it. If you just want liquid cooling the cpu, then it should be possible. Btw, liquid is not required, but if you want, you can.

Edit: And the SSD have nothing todo with the resolution you play. A SSD over regular HD will make boot the pc faster and load games at startup faster. High capacity will just allow to save more data and games on it. Samsungs EVO line is for normal desktop users, that unit what I have too. Samsung PRO should have longer lifetime and be better for 24/7 day usage and a little faster (non relevant for gaming).

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

Ill go with the one I had before then, yea its expensive but I stated im using this for 5 years and that im gonna be recording and streaming games all the time, and can you tell me the difference between the 4790k and the 6700k?

Compuser10165 · Sep 21, 2015

There is a performance difference between the two i7's of 10-15% depending on the application, sometimes even less (Skylake also has ). I would go with skylake because there is better chipset connectivity (PCI-E 3.0 lanes instead of 2.0 on the chipset, better support for m2, NVMe ssd's), DDR4 (not a huge upgrade but if you will build something in the future you could use the ram), some extra instruction sets, 14nm litography, you have an upgrade path for the Z170 platform (Kaby Lake), reverse hypertrheading technology, newer tech in general.

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

people are saying the 5820k is better then the 6700k

Compuser10165 · Sep 21, 2015

If your primary use is gaming, forget about the i7 5820k. That cpu is good if your are editing, VM etc. You would be better with the higher clocks of the 6700k(event if you oc the hexacore the 6700k has better single threaded performance). Also, before games will start to mass utilize 6 core i7 as recommended requirements, the 5820k will already be obsolete. P.S. I am also building a pc in 3-4 weeks and I'll go with Skylake because it better suits my needs, and I'm assuming, also yours.

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

Where do I find out how many case fans I need I am gonna get Noctua Nf-f12's but idk how many I need

turbopixel · Sep 21, 2015

It depends on how many are integrated and what you can add (depending on space, motherboard fan connections, case fan places) and how much you want overclock and where you are living. A good case in a cool room without overclocking can live with only two case fans, one intake and one outtake. The cpu and gpu will have its own. If you lower the speed, then you may want add another for better airflow.

What you can do is, don't buy additional case fans and just test your setup with base case fans. Then play and/or benchmark the system and check temperatures. If it gets too hot, then buy good case fans.

Short: There is no short answer to your question.

Voxcious · Sep 21, 2015

What case fans should I get for an Haf 932 and how many take into consideration im overclocking also this is what ive come to for my build this is a new link so click it http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Voxcious/saved/ynkrxr ( also id like to have some good fans right away I dont wanna start my build up it be to hot I just wanna have my fans right away even if it can run with just case fans I still want my system as cool as possible to run everything smoothly with an overclock and I dont wanna damage anythig with heat even if im just paranoid I will take my chances with buying them even if its for no reason

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