My First Ever Gaming Build (Skylake) (Samsung 950 M.2 help)

BudskiiHD · Sep 30, 2015

Right, so this is what I have so far and it is £1000 exactly.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/4VZs3C

At first I was going to get i7-4790k & z97 mob, but for that I would have buy DDR3 RAM too. In the future, DDR4 is the way forward so if I want to upgrade then I would have to replace all of my RAM too so I went with Skylake.

As I was picking the components for this build, what I had in my mind was "Would I be able to transfer this component over to new build". From my research I think I should be able to transfer these parts onto the new build:

PSU - Good quality and 750W should be plenty.
RAM - DDR4 is the future.
CASE - Decent, should be able to keep it.
HDD - SSD, should be able to keep.

I might upgrade to the new Samsung 950 Pro NVMe M.2 1TB drive in the future. Asus z170 pro gaming does have a M.2 slot but someone said something along the lines of cpu has 16 lanes which will be used by GPU and nothing will be left for the M.2 drive ... so I am a little confused, will it work?

This basically leaves CPU, MOBO, GPU as the main upgrade components. They are the ones I will want to change in the future anyways. Am I right with everything in my thinking? Do you think this is a good build would you change anything?

capt_taco · Sep 30, 2015

Honestly, the difference between an i5-6600k and i7-4790k is not huge, and next time you upgrade you'll probably want to replace your RAM anyway. So get whichever fits your budget - Skylake if money is not an issue, Haswell if it is.

All of your parts look good; that will be a nice machine.

How old is the existing PSU? That's a high-quality unit, but if you got it, say, 5 or 6 years ago, you may want to consider replacing it anyway.

Xibyth · Sep 30, 2015

There's a reason hardware engineers in graphics cards skipped DDR4, it has a 25% speed increase potential but after latency the real speed difference is closer to 5%. The additional cost makes it pretty much irrelevent. Bear in mind that in desktops it's still not very efficient despite being about 8 years old now. DDR5 is what to wait for, Intel is learning this will be adapting their chipset design to uniDIMM in the near future.

Long story short DDR4 is not really the future, DDR5 on desktops is where we will see a real difference. If they don't make a move to HBC and drop standard DDR altogether.

You will get better overall performance sticking to a 4790K, and next gen Intel boards will be backwards compatible with DDR3. Given the barely notable speed difference, and price to performance ratio, stick to DDR3 for now.

g-unit1111 · Sep 30, 2015

The thing you have to keep in mind when using M2 SSDs is that they get crazy hot, you will need appropriate cooling to compensate. I haven't seen any M2 cooling solutions yet but will keep a close eye on it.

That build looks decent but for your budget you can definitely get a better graphics card.

I tried to keep this as close to £1000 as I could but this has a much better GPU, CPU cooler, and a slightly less expensive case:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£299.22 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£34.94 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme4+ ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£121.32 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£79.35 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£68.34 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390X 8GB Video Card (£338.95 @ More Computers)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£66.49 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£87.61 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1136.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-30 21:31 BST+0100

Xibyth · Sep 30, 2015

The Samsung 950 Pro can handle temps up to 70*C, even right next to the GPU it's doubtful a single M.2 in a desktop will reach those temps. Average in operation temps hover around 38*C during storage benchmarks.

BudskiiHD · Sep 30, 2015

capt_taco :

Yeh, I saw comparisons of the processors on youtube .. and 6600k was pretty close to 4790k in almost all games in terms of FPS. What do you mean next time I upgrade i will need to upgrade RAM too? Will DDR4 be outdated that fast? I was hoping to add +16GB next time I upgraded which tbh will probably be within 2-3 years and that will be only cpu/gpu/mobo.

I'm going to go with skylake since If I decide to upgade processor I might need DDR4 RAM which is like £90 alone (16GB)

I don't have a existing PSU, I'm going to buy that EVGA supernova G2

Xibyth · Sep 30, 2015

You will not need to upgrade your ram, who knows though, maybe by then ddr4 will be worth it. In the next two or three years that won't happen though.

Skylake CPU's are backwards compatible with DDR3.

capt_taco · Sep 30, 2015

BudskiiHD :

What I meant is that next time you upgrade, either they will have much faster DDR4, or they will be moving on to DDR5. The DDR4 out there right now is all crap and no better than DDR3; in fact, high-end DDR3 outperforms it.

Since CPUs are so far ahead of the threshold required for gaming right now, the limiting factor is almost always the GPU, and even processors 5 years old are still adequate. Right now, Sandy and Ivy Bridge i5s are still considered part of the top tier for gaming, and with moderate overclocking probably will be for another year or two to come. The only ones that really are becoming underpowered are the Nehalem line of i5s and i7s from about 2009.

So anyway, figure this CPU (either Haswell or Skylake) will be more than adequate for 5 or 6 years and you replace the GPU at the midpoint. That's all you need to keep the system high-end. By 2021 or so, they'll almost certainly be moving on to a new memory standard.

I definitely think 16GB is the right call in either case.

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