Fan installation help! Enthoo pro w/ H100i GTX

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Hi everyone,

I'm having trouble connecting the fans in this case to the PWM hub in the phanteks enthoo pro and getting them to work properly.

Currently I have the h100i gtx which is plugged into first slot in the hub, and all the other case fans are installed in the hub as well, and then the hub is installed into CPU1 on the motherboard. When I'm in the msi command centre and try and make the fans run full speed, three of the case fans spin super fast but the exhaust and fans on the h100 always seem to spinning at the same speed. Is there anyway to have individual control or something, this is my first build.

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You have misunderstood the plan for cooling components in this case.

There are TWO separate cooling systems. ONE is the CPU cooling system, and it cools ONLY the CPU. The OTHER is the case ventilation system, and only this system uses the PWM Hub included with the case. The CPU cooler does NOT connect to the Hub!

First, CPU cooling. You have the H1000i GTX system. It consists of a liquid cooler block mounted on the CPU, a radiator to mount in the case top, two fans for the rad, a couple of cables, and some software. Four cables need connecting in this system, and ALL of them go to the cooler block mounted on the CPU. Both of the radiator fans (which are supposed to be PWM type) connect to cables coming out of the cooler block. One...

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Can you list your specs?

Also, the fans on the h100i is controlled by the Corsair software or the CPU temp, you cannot control those from the command center. Put some heavy load on your computer to test.
 

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Phanteks enthoo pro case
intel i7 5820 k
32 gb ddr4 2666mhz corsair vengeance
h100i gtx
blu ray burner
samsung 500gb evo ssd
2 tb wd black drive
msi r9 390 gaming 8g
I put two high performance sp 120 on the h100 and put the fans that came with it on the hard drive cages, there is an af140 exhaust and a 200mm intake fan

So the corsair software controls the fan speed even though it is hooked into the PWM hub thing?

Thanks.
 

drhardeepasi

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The case comes with a PWM fan hub behind the motherboard, six fans can connect into it and the manual says everything is controlled by whichever fan is plugged into the first slot.
 

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So I checked again to today and at idle which was like 2% cpu usage Temps were between 25-30. I switched the way fans were connected
 

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You have misunderstood the plan for cooling components in this case.

There are TWO separate cooling systems. ONE is the CPU cooling system, and it cools ONLY the CPU. The OTHER is the case ventilation system, and only this system uses the PWM Hub included with the case. The CPU cooler does NOT connect to the Hub!

First, CPU cooling. You have the H1000i GTX system. It consists of a liquid cooler block mounted on the CPU, a radiator to mount in the case top, two fans for the rad, a couple of cables, and some software. Four cables need connecting in this system, and ALL of them go to the cooler block mounted on the CPU. Both of the radiator fans (which are supposed to be PWM type) connect to cables coming out of the cooler block. One wire from that cooler block plugs into the main 4-pin CPU_FAN port of your mobo. A separate cable connects from a socket in the cooler block to one USB port of your mobo.

The cooling system draws power from the CPU fan port, and also returns to that port some info about its fan speed. However, it does NOT use the mobo's automatic control system to regulate its fans. You MUST install the software that comes with the H100i GTX system. It takes info from the mobo on the actual measured temperature inside the CPU chip and exercises its own control of radiator fan speeds and pump speed, using the USB connection to communicate with the cooling system pump block. So this system uses its own techniques and equipment to manage the CPU temperature, and does NOT do anything for case ventilation. I suspect that the software supplied also includes a small app for the user to monitor and control the CPU cooling functions only.

Case ventilation is done by all your other fans and THIS is where the PWM Hub is used. That hub has one wire that plugs into a mobo 4-pin CHA_FAN port. Using that port's PWM signal it controls all the fans attached to the hub. It also returns to the port the speed of ONLY the one fan plugged into its Hub Port #1, the one that is white. It draws power for all its fans from a SATA device power output connector from the PSU so it does not overload the mobo CHA_FAN port. Among the various 4-pin fan hubs on the market, this one is different. It appears to use the PWM signal it gets to create its own group of 3-pin output ports operating in Voltage Control Mode. Obviously this means that you can use 3-pin fans with it. But it replies, too, on the backwards compatibility design feature that a 4-pin fan connected to a 3-pin (Voltage Control Mode) port WILL work under proper control. So both 3- and 4-pin fans can be plugged into any of the hub's 3-pin ports. ALL the fans plugged into this port will be under the SAME control - that is, the one PWM fan speed control signal it picks up from its mobo "host" port. This system is designed to control many (usually all) of your case ventilation fans from a mobo CHA_FAN port signal that is tied to a temperature sensor in the MOTHERBOARD, and NOT from the temperature of the CPU internals. So ONLY case ventilation fans should be connected to it.

Set up this way as designed, you will find that the MSI Command Center gives you control of the case fans connected to the hub. But control of the CPU fans is done through the software supplied with the H100i GTX system.
 
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That makes so much more sense. Thank you so much. I now have the one plug that comes from the h100i connecting into the cpu1 Gan spot on moBo. All case fans are connected to pwm hub. The question I have now is where should I plug pwm hub into. The options I have are cpu 2. Sys 1 sys2 or sys3 fans. And does it matter which fan I have plugged into the first port of the pwm hub. I have 1 200mm fan 2 120 all as intake and 1 140 mm exhaust connected to pwm. Th3 rad is setup at the top of case and fans oriented as exhaust.

Mobo i have is msi x99a gaming 7. Thanks
 

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It should not matter which SYS_FAN port you connect the hub to, but don't plug it into the CPU2 port. See your mobo manual on p 3-28 for setting fans. In BIOS Setup choose the correct SYS_FAN port at the top of the illustrated page. Then make sure that it is set (check at top left of window) to use "Smart Fan Mode" so the mobo will control case fans automatically.

Which fan to plug into the hub's first port? Does not really matter. The way it is designed, that fan is the only one that the mob can "see" the speed of, and show you. So if you care which fan's speed you can see, plug that one into Hub Port #1.
 

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Okay so I ran into an issue.

Corsair link is definitely set up correctly and is working. However, currently all fans are connected to PWM and the sata power is connected to it as well, when I try to plug the 4 pin PWM hub cable into sys fan 1 - nothing works, motherboard also says it's not connected, I also tried disconnecting the sata power and still didn't work. I tried the other sys fans as well. Motherboard didn't recognize anything as being connected. When i plug the SATA power to the PWM and the PWM hub 4 pin cable into CPU 2 - it works! I'm confused as to what is going on here.

Is it an issue to leave it into CPU 2? I have 4 case fans connected into the PWM hub, some 4 pin some 3 pin.
 

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It should not be plugged into CPU_FAN2, because that makes all your case fans governed by the temperature inside the CPU chip, instead of the temp of the mobo main components. It certainly should work when plugged into the SYS_FAN1 port.

Go into BIOS Setup and check the settings for the SYS_FAN1 fan port. It should be set to automatic control. IF there is a choice to make between PWM Mode and Voltage Control Mode, make sure it's set to PWM. Beyond that, the default settings for temperatures and fan speed profiles should be used.

While you're there, set the other SYS_FAN ports the same way. If the SYS_FAN1 port still does not work, try another one.

When you say, "all fans are connected to PWM ...." I hope you mean only all the CASE fans, and NOT the H100I unit's fans.
 

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H100 is connected on its own into cpu1. Case fans to PWM hub. Sata power is connected on hub, and connector from hub I tried in CPU 2 (works), sys 1, 2 and 3 - all no go. When I plug a case fan directly into sys 1 - works. Only when I go through hub it doesn't, most of my fans won't reach the sys connectors on MOBO, and I have 4 fans but through sys slots.

As for BIOS, I can only set the system fans to smart fan mode. I don't seem to have any other options. I put them all the smart mode and I will try connecting pwm to sys 1 again and report back

I tried into sys 2 and 1 - no go, should I leave the sata cable from the PWM hub connected into the SATA power from PSU? ugh....

And based on what your saying if the PWM hub is connected into CPU 2 then the fans will spin based on the CPU temps not system temps (where CPU temps are normally higher meaning fans spinning more than they should?) If so I don't mind that so much... Maybe I should just plug in whichever fans will reach into SYS ports and leave the rest on the hub connected to CPU 2?
 

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VERY puzzling! You have tried a fan plugged directly into a mobo SYS_FAN port and it works, but not when connected via the Hub.

For more detail, let me ask these:
You have both 3- and 4-pin fans for your case, right? So, using the same port all the time (say, SYS_FAN2) check these:
1. Plug a 3-pin fan in there. If possible, while it's connected go into BIOS Setup and change its operating mode to something else, like full speed or fixed half speed. I expect it will run full speed all the time, and never slow down. Is that correct?
2. Plug a 4-pin fan in there. I expect it will run at various speeds LESS than full speed. Is that correct? If possible, while it's connected go into BIOS Setup and change its operating mode to something else, like full speed or fixed half speed. Does the fan's speed actually change? If it does, then probably the PWM signal is available and working properly.
3. With the fan port re-set in BIOS to Smart Fan Mode, hook up the hub and one fan of each type. Do they still not work at all? Are you sure the hub's SATA power connector is plugged into an output direct from the PSU? Are you sure the hub's 4-pin fan cable is plugged into the mobo SYS_FAN2 port?

If the first two tests show fan behavior exactly as I describe but the hub still cannot power any fan, then the hub must be faulty. But pay special attention to Test #1 with the 3-pin fan. If such a fan on a 4-pin port actually does change its speed, that would be a significant clue.
 

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1. When I vary the fan speed when 3 pin plugged in it does vary. It's not at 100 percent the whole time. However max rpm isn't that high. It's a 200 mm fan.

2. The 4 pin fan also has full control. Rpm higher but it's a 120 mm high performance fan. Btw I can't sle ct rpm only fan percentage.

3. With one 3 pin and 1 4 pin in the hub with the 4 pin in the primary spot . Or the 3 pin in the primary spot - tried both ... No friggin go. Wtf. But with all fans plugged in and the thing in CPUs 2 it works
 

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OK, your answers 1 and 2 show the port IS behaving properly as a true 4-pin port in PWM Mode. That means it is sending out a PWM signal on Pin #4, and a fixed +12VDC on Pin #2. So the hub should be able to use it.

Now, answer #3 says the hub still does not work when the hub is plugged into the SAME mobo fan port, right? From that I'd suspect either the hub is faulty OR the power supply to the hub (from a SATA power connector) is not correct. HOWEVER, then you say that if you simply move the hub's fan port connector from SYSFAN2 to CPU2, it works! Am I correct that that was the ONLY change made? No change to power supply connection? When it works this way, do all the fans change speed if you try in BIOS Setup to change the CPU_FAN speed? They should all change at the same time.

If that is exactly what is happening, I don't understand it. Maybe you need to consult Tech Support at Phanteks.
 

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That's exactly correct. No changes but works in cpu2. I will call pha.teks thanks so much for your help.
 

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