Question Snow Leopard VM on Virtual Box on El Capitan or Windows 10 machine.

Mitrovah · Oct 8, 2015

So I have been trying to create a virtual Snow Leopard Machine. v10.6.3. All the tutorials I have scoured instruct to use Mac Os X Server. But VirtualBox 5.0 doesn't have this option. I have tried disabling EFI boot option in System, Tried unchecking nested paging the Acceleration mode. I noticed one option for Paravirtualization interface which allows a legacy option, which I haven't tried yet. Give the system about 3gb of ram and 3 cpu cores. I haven't experimented with Chipset yet.

Tried the same thing using a a windows machine to build the Snow Leopard Virtual but that didn't work either. I have tried older versions of VirtualBox to on MACs and Windows. The most common error I get is: FATAL: Cannot use or find BootMedia. The other problem is when I try to choose a a file instead of using the virtual drive I can't select anything, Not ISO files. I have tried using iBoot that did not work either. Anyone have any experience with these same problems and specs?

Spectre694 · Oct 8, 2015

If I remember right then to run Mac in a VM you need to treat it like a hackintosh and use the iboot/multiboot tools. Have you tried that yet?

itmoba · Oct 8, 2015

Okay, so the way I'm interpreting this is that you have a Mac and a PC. On your Mac, you're running OS X 10.11 and are unable to make a VM of Snow Leopard. On your PC (non-Apple) you run Windows 10 and are unable to make a VM of Snow Leopard either. Is this correct?

First of all, where'd you get your copy of Snow Leopard? Second, you can't install OS X on a non-Apple computer because it's against their EULA.

Mitrovah · Oct 8, 2015

itmoba :

Yes

I bought it from apple. I was under the impression a VM would give me the option since I am not in effect actually installing on the pc. Hence the Virtualization?

itmoba · Oct 8, 2015

You need to read the EULA more carefully. Like many others, you're grossly misinterpreting the definition and process of the installation of an OS on a machine. This is how one should conceptualize the matter: Native Hardware -> Native OS(es) -> Virtualized Guest(s). It's a very simple top-bottom approach. The first question is, "is this machine Apple-hardware?" If the answer to that is no, then both the OS and subsequent layers are irrelevant. This means, "you cannot install OS X on a non-Apple machine, period." Now, let's look at this: You have a Mac and install Windows on it. The OS covers the entire HD, and there're no partitions dedicated to any other OS (i.e., multi-boot). Again, we look top-down and see that the installation on Windows retains the "legal" properties of the system hardware on which it runs. Thus, it's perfectly legal to install OS X as a VM atop a Windows host because the system is an Apple computer. We can easily twist this too, in that if you wanted to install a copy of Windows as a VM atop Windows, it's plainly obvious that the two are completely different. This means that the first installation retains the properties of the native hardware. However, now we have Windows running as a guest; thus, the two are separate because only the first retains the original properties. The additional layer makes it treated as a separate device. Thus, you need another license to legally install Windows as a guest atop our Windows host. A great example of this is how Windows manages its license -- on OEM installations the license is tied to the motherboard. Obviously, if you install it and try to use it again on another device, you're breeching the EULA.

Let's use another example from Gangland (which I happen to be watching): You order a hit on someone. They carry out the crime, but you're coconspirator and are implicated because you planned something which led to the loss of someone's life. Are you going to tell the judge you're not guilty because you didn't pull the trigger? Do you think that any judge would simply shrug it off? No.

Any questions?

jsmithepa · Oct 9, 2015

itmoba :

Where are all the gate-keepers coming from ? Even Tom has a sticky for Hackintoshes.

Apple doesn't want you to run OSX on non-Apple hardware because they (1)want to buy their expensive hardware (justified in m opinion), and (2) They don't want anybody to bitch about their OS running shabbily and folks complaining wo disclosing they are running them on non-Apple hardware.

As long as one is aware OSX won't running as smooth (and that's a salient point of OSX+Apple hardware), then it doesn't bother me none.

itmoba · Oct 9, 2015

jsmithepa :

Tom's may have a sticky on Mackintoshes, but probably not for long. The question, thus, is "why?"

(1) The forum rules state: "Violations - It violates the Tom's Hardware Rules of Conduct if you engage in ... [the promotion] or encourage[ment] [of] activity which is illegal, such as hacking, cracking, scamming."

(2) By installing OS X on a non-Apple computer, you're breaking the EULA. The EULA is an agreement and is governed by contract law. So, it's illegal to install OS X on a non-Apple computer. It's very simple. In fact, I ought to write this on the Hackintosh post while I'm at it. Thanks for the idea!

Mitrovah · Oct 9, 2015

itmoba :

You need to read the EULA more carefully. Like many others, you're grossly misinterpreting the definition and process of the installation of an OS on a machine. This is how one should conceptualize the matter: Native Hardware -> Native OS(es) -> Virtualized Guest(s). It's a very simple top-bottom approach. The first question is, "is this machine Apple-hardware?" If the answer to that is no, then both the OS and subsequent layers are irrelevant. This means, "you cannot install OS X on a non-Apple machine, period." Now, let's look at this: You have a Mac and install Windows on it. The OS covers the entire HD, and there're no partitions dedicated to any other OS (i.e., multi-boot). Again, we look top-down and see that the installation on Windows retains the "legal" properties of the system hardware on which it runs. Thus, it's perfectly legal to install OS X as a VM atop a Windows host because the system is an Apple computer. We can easily twist this too, in that if you wanted to install a copy of Windows as a VM atop Windows, it's plainly obvious that the two are completely different. This means that the first installation retains the properties of the native hardware. However, now we have Windows running as a guest; thus, the two are separate because only the first retains the original properties. The additional layer makes it treated as a separate device. Thus, you need another license to legally install Windows as a guest atop our Windows host. A great example of this is how Windows manages its license -- on OEM installations the license is tied to the motherboard. Obviously, if you install it and try to use it again on another device, you're breeching the EULA.

Let's use another example from Gangland (which I happen to be watching): You order a hit on someone. They carry out the crime, but you're coconspirator and are implicated because you planned something which led to the loss of someone's life. Are you going to tell the judge you're not guilty because you didn't pull the trigger? Do you think that any judge would simply shrug it off? No.

Any questions?

I take your point. But I only have one question ask are you mental? I would believe so comparing to what I was trying to do to premeditated murder

itmoba · Oct 9, 2015

Mitrovah :

itmoba :

I take your point. But I only have one question ask are you mental? I would believe so comparing to what I was trying to do to premeditated murder

Is English not your native language? I'm pretty sure you've completely misconstrued my point and the ramifications and intent of legal implication. The language device is of no importance. Nice try with the ad-hominem, but your skills at arguing the main points are pretty damn weak.

ex_bubblehead · Oct 20, 2015

itmoba :

Yes, there is a sticky. However, the first post in that thread is now 4 years old and does not reflect the current rules regarding Hackintosh discussion.

The current rules are that Hackintosh discussion is permitted only as long as that discussion revolves around the hardware (Macs are nothing more than specifically configured PC's hardwarewise). However, any discussion of how/where to obtain, install or configure Apple branded software on non Apple branded hardware is forbidden and the discussions are subject to closure and/or deletion.

Closing this.

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