Will the A10-7870K Godavari APU run FO4 without another card?

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I'm trying to figure this out. I'm looking for a budget upgrade to run FO4. I'm currently running the following rig for the past 3-4 years, and it has been able to handle whatever I threw at it. GTAV wasn't able run great, but still ok, and World of Warships is bogging down the CPU.

ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A79XTD EVO (AM3)
AMD Athlon II X4 640 propus
6.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz
1024MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series (Sapphire/PCPartner) (HD6850)

Here are my options, the way I see them.
1) Upgrade my cpu and video card in the same motherboard. This MB will support up to a Phenom II x6 1100T, but Newegg no longer sells those. I've found some on ebay, but they are around $80-90 used, while the A10 new is about $120-140 on new egg.

2) Go with a new MB and the A10, I will also need new ram with this option because the A10 needs fast ram to work well from what I've read.

3) go with a new MB and different processor with a new video card. This is probably the best option, but also the most expensive.

I'm trying to do this upgrade the cheapest I possibly can, and I want to be able to play FO4 when it hits. Those are my mission objectives.

I appreciate any help, comments, suggestion or discussion.
Thanks!
 
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$250-300?

Also, I forgot to mention, that in the FO4 system requirements it states: Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 550 Ti 2GB/AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB or equivalent, It looks like the 7870 GPU side of the processor will just barely hit that, is that correct?



 
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With the amd APU's like the A10, ram has a lot to do with the igpu ability. 1333MHz ram is gonna absolutely kill igpu performance, whereas 2133MHz ram shows the best value/performance gain, anything faster showing little gains with only a 1% difference between 2800MHz and 3000MHz.

Option #3 would be ideal, option #2 would show better cpu but lower gpu performance, option #1 would show minimal cpu gains.

If you are going to upgrade the gpu, no point in the a10, you loose to much cache memory etc and end up paying for an igpu that's unused. Be much better off with a move to Intel i5-4460 and gtx960/r9 380
 
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Question on this build, The FO4 minimum requirements are for " Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz/AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz or equivalent " does the i3 cpu meet this?
 
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the i5 is a much better choice both today and especially into the future.
 
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Whereas the gtx950 would be a better choice over a 750ti which can struggle with more demanding games regulating game play to low or medium settings at best.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($164.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $347.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-11 21:38 EDT-0400
 
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This build would be the best if you can stretch your budget a bit, but an i3 will handle fallout 4 fine ASSUMING it handles cpu load simliar to skyrim, which there both on the same engine(fallout 4 is an updated version).
 
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An i3 can run games without zero issue with gpus of this caliber, dont fall into i3s are dual core so they suck misinformation across the internet, its false.
 
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Most games don't count cores, its a redundancy. They count threads. The minimum specs on vast majority of games is just for playability, there are some like gta-v that require a quad core Intel cpu, and thats coded into the game (yes there are also hacks) so end result is that most games will see an i3 (with HT enabled) as a quad core cpu (4 threads) and is looking for a certain speed (like 3.2GHz) for reliable frame count.
That said, the way an intel cpu processes threads with HT isn't as strong as a true quad core so an i5 @3.2GHz will be better than an i3@3.2GHz.

Building a pc around a single game isn't the best idea, you may tire of the game in time, or another may take its place, so building a pc around strong possibility is a better idea. FO and skyrim are strong single thread games, using 1-2 cores. Vanilla. Once you get into 2k/4k mods, enb's etc, that'll change. I run my skyrim on an i5 and i7 with 130mods and an enb and have seen 6 core usage on the i7 and a constant 4 core on the i5. I don't know how FO takes to modding but an i3 would suffer there.
 
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We are talking about a gtx 950 here, you will run into a gpu bottleneck well before a cpu bottleneck, even with an i3. My 86 mod count skyrim with all of the popular mods minus enb runs 60 fps constant in all places but whiterun due to the city enhancement mod i use. Computer is in sig.

Even games, that are well known to eat cpus for breakfast, eg cities skyline, my skyline runs at 45fps with 100k citizens, various graphical mods, traffic mods and all unlockable tiles.

An i3 only becomes an issue once the gpu bottleneck is removed first. I myself am waiting for fallout 4 and will be upgrading my system for it, but im upgrading once the game is on my system. Just to say, current plan is 270x to r9 390, then check if indeed an i3 is a bottleneck with a gpu of that level(yes im willing to bet).
 
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Skyrim is considerably more cpu than many games, even 130 mods and enb I get constant 60fps with my 3570k and gtx 660ti on max ultra and my 3770k gtx970 just laughs at it, yet metal gear solid: the Phantom pain drives my 970 to 99% usage and 27% cpu, so a lot depends on the game.
 
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