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I will be buying a pc soon, and one question is tearing me up:Skylake or not? Is skylake better for gaming? Or should I go for LGA 1150? It is much cheaper, but I am really interested in future proofing my pc. Thanks in advance.
 
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Lots of misinformation in this thread.
Lets clear up all the information here.

With single gpus, such as a gtx 970:
Whether you have an i5, i7, or xeon, overclocked or not, your fps will be the same, as you are still bottlenecked by your gpu.
With a 980/980ti, a locked i5 will have a very small bottleneck, while an overclocked i5, or any i7/xeon will have no bottleneck.

The most common xeon, the e3 1231 v3 on the lga 1150 socket performs pretty much identically to an i7 4790, for 60-100 dollars less. The only difference between a xeon and an i7 is the xeon has ecc support and other servergrade features and are designed for 24 hr operation, other than that they are identical to there desktop counterparts, they use the same...
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Hello, you dont have to buy a skylake for that.
I use the i5-4690k 1150, its the perfect cpu for gaming.
These days you dont need a i7 or skylake. Be sure you have a good GPU.
Goodluck

William
 
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First, try to ignore that word "Future-Proof".

The skylake is simply a boost over previous year devil canyon chips. The performance gain is obvious & in real world you won't notice that much difference from devil canyon. Either of them will be good choice, i would personally pick the skylake.
 
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Im here also because Im upgrading and I personally stopped at the upcoming xeon CPUs (namely 1230v5) over 6700k.
Its mostly because the motherboards for the older ones arent that much cheaper here and Im kinda looking for something I wont need to think about upgrading in 2-3 years too.
 
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An Intel Xeon is basically a server processor. Somehow, the xeon makes unfit to game where the i7 does pretty well. People here suggest xeon for non-oc users because they are better deal to get. The Core i7 performs much better in gaming rather than xeon. The 6700k & 1230v5 performs same but the core i7 is bit faster because they are clocked higher. So, any of them will run games for 2-3 years.
 
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It really depends on how much you are willing to spend, because you'll find that if you go for Skylake you'll get a performance increase of about 10-15% but you'll also be looking at about then same increase in price.
 
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So the xeon is bad for gaming because it can't be clocked? But if I dont clock i7 it's much better? :>
 
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Don't get me wrong, i haven't call the xeon is bad for gaming, they are cannot perform like core i7 does in games. Now, seriously we're involving in such topic where there is no end.

:http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/487/Intel_Core_i7_i7-6700K_vs_Intel_Xeon_E3-1230_v5.html
 
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Well you called it unfit, that's much worse than calling it bad. As I said Im no expert but I dont see any drawbacks there when you consider the expected price for 1230v5 is considerably lower than the 4ghz 6700k.

Ive also read lots of opinions in this forum and none of the 'experts' who say i7 is better for gaming explain why is that except that it can be overclocked if you are willing to have tractor in your room.
 
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Please, ofcourse is it your choice.
But dont make this mistake buying a Xeon. Please dont.
The i5 or i7 has much more strength to perform in games.
Xeon is build to run on alot cores and do alot of calculating. (like he said, used on servers alot.)
I recommend that you will get an i5 or either an i7
Goodluck

William
 
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Let me put it this way, everyone who says xeons are good if you dont plan on overclocking anyway explains why that is the case and gives logical reasons. Everyone who says i5 and i7 is better for gaming gives no explanation whatsoever and just says xeons arent made for gaming.

As I said Im no expert, just looking up info to buy CPU for myself, so you can understand why these statements start to seem ridiculous to me, if there is some common sense Im missing feel free to correct me and explain why should I get i5 and i7 esp for gaming for which everyone gets separate GPU.
 
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Because gaming will be sometimes cpu based, i just stay by the fact that an i5 would be great for gaming.
Xeon's are just someway not suitably for that. They give another good performance like calculating.
But gaming just go for the I-... series, you wont regret that choice!
 
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Lots of misinformation in this thread.
Lets clear up all the information here.

With single gpus, such as a gtx 970:
Whether you have an i5, i7, or xeon, overclocked or not, your fps will be the same, as you are still bottlenecked by your gpu.
With a 980/980ti, a locked i5 will have a very small bottleneck, while an overclocked i5, or any i7/xeon will have no bottleneck.

The most common xeon, the e3 1231 v3 on the lga 1150 socket performs pretty much identically to an i7 4790, for 60-100 dollars less. The only difference between a xeon and an i7 is the xeon has ecc support and other servergrade features and are designed for 24 hr operation, other than that they are identical to there desktop counterparts, they use the same architecture. Xeons, just simply have more cores with a lower clock speed on the very high end.\

Skylake has a 5% performance gain over haswell in gaming, not 10-15%.
 
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Wrong.
I guess you dont have a xeon?
TRy it. Its a great piece. but it will make difference in gaming.
It is NOT identically to and 4790... Dont look on internet. Try it out.
I react on this because i experienced this problem. Thats why i dont agree taking the xeon for the things he will do ;)
 
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Im sorry but you keep repeating the same thing and giving no explanation whatsoever for why i5 is better.
The fact that gaming is cpu based is not affected by the integrated gpu, cpu heavy games doesnt mean they rely on integrated gpu, it means they rely on the cpu heavily. I think that's pretty obvious and you prolly know it...

Ive been reading this and other forums for a while as well as articles on reputable sites and there's ton of evidance that if you dont overclock i5 the xeons give same performance for games.

Feel free to continue the argument with acutal facts supporting you, otherwise Ill just ignore your ,what seems to be at this point, nonsense opinions.
 
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Ok, just let me prove you wrong with 100% facts, straight from intels ark data base.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/80806,80910 copy and paste the entire link

Both are quad cores with hyper threading.
Both launched Q2 2014
both have 8mb of cache
both use DMI2
both are 64 bit
both have the same instruction sets
both are 22nm
both come with the same boxed hsf
both support dual channel RAM, up to 32gb
both use pcie 3.0
both support up to 16 pcie lanes
same package size
same lga1150 socket

Diffrences
i7 4790 has an interated gpu, 1231 does not
i7 4790 has a 200mhz higher turbo clock
i7 4790 has a 200mhz higher base clock
i7 4790 is 312 dollars msrp
1231 is 250 msrp

So, your telling me, you would pay 62 dollars more, for an igp you wont use, with a 1% gain in cpu performance with a 20% increase in price?
 
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@w00p00

If you are just gaming, an i5 4690k would be the best for the money.
If you dont want to learn overclocking, or plan on streaming/cpu intensive multitasking, the 1231 is unbeatable value.
If you dont want to overclock, nor will be streaming or doing cpu intensive task other than gaming, i suggest the cheapest locked i5, generally the i5 4460, and put the money saved into your gpu or other components.
 
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Terrible comparison, your comparing a low power xeon 6 core, on a different socket.
This comparison has zero relevance to this thread.

And also, just to do it, there are xeons with a much higher core clock, such as e5 1630 v3 @ 3.7ghz, but again, its irrelevant as its on a different socket.

Not to mention how unreliable cpu boss is.
 
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Thx for the input but Im currently waiting for 1230v5. I also do some cadding work, even tho my current q9550 is enough for now the newer versions of the software has been getting heavier and it will be nice to know I wont need to upgrade for several years no matter what.
I planned on getting 1231 but since Ill be upgrading the whole configuration anyway I decided to wait and get 1151 ^^

The thing which Im actually wondering right now is if my cooler for q9550 will fit the 1230 :/
 
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Depends on the cooler, it may have updated mounting brackets you can order from the manufacture for lga 1151.
 
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Ok thx, Ill check it out; Ill have to check what was the model and how much will the brackets cost, might be worth cosnidering the cooler was about 40-50$ back in the day.
 
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Good luck!
 
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