Very bad fps for a good PC

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 17, 2015

On Witcher 3, I can only run it on low-medium with good fps. I find that most PCs worst than mine can even run up to ultra solid. I'm thinking about doing a factory reset, but I need help to knowing why I'm not running modern games that well.

Specs:

Graphics Card: EVGA GTX 770 4GB w/ ACX Cooler
CPU: AMD APU A-10 6700d Quad-Core
PSU: Corsair 750 watt
Ram: 8GB Kingston DDR3

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 17, 2015

Actually, that sounds about right.

AMD APUs are HORRIBLE. You are badly bottlenecked in that game because it is very CPU heavy.

And 770 isn't exactly the best anymore either. It can play things but only at around medium to high.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 17, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

What should I do? Can I upgrade? What makes the APUs bad? Thanks for the help btw.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 17, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

They are meant to be a single chip pc cpus. Meant for small, budget, everyday web-browsing. Not gaming.
But that's not all. The AMD's architecture is just bad. Their cores have high clock speed but are very weak.

Your only choice is to upgrade to higher performance AMD or get Intel.

If you want AMD, you will need at least AMD FX-6300/6350 along with good quality AM3+ AMD970 motherboard.
If you want Intel, you can go with Intel i3-3160/3170 at the least. Just note that some games do not like Dual-cores anymore and require quad-core thus you would need to upgrade it to i5 later.

Adroid · Oct 17, 2015

Looks to intel for a solution. i5 3570 or better should do the trick. i5 4690k or 6600k overclocked would be more than adequate.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 17, 2015

I talked to my friend and he said with my cpu socket, I can't upgrade to anything better except if I get a whole new motherboard. I'm scared to build a PC though. It looks so difficult and my hands are usually really shaky when I do that really careful stuff. Is this true? Do I need a new mobo?

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 17, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

Yes, you do need a new motherboard as well.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 17, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

This might be asking too much, but can you recommend what specs I should use? I want an Nvidia graphics card, Intel processor, I don't care about the other brands. I'm looking to spend at the most 700 dollars. I can possibly salvage my graphics card, and I will salvage my hard drives.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 17, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

GTX770 will still work fine until the next generation, Pascal, is released next year.
So you can use that budget fully on optimizing the rest of the system

So this is what I came up with:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($90.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $613.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-17 17:40 EDT-0400

Xeon E3-1231 V3 is basically an Intel i7 for the price of i5 and will do great for gaming now and in the future.
Z97 motherboard and the beefy cooler makes it possible to overclock if you want to, while keeping temps low.
The PSU is very high quality and will run any GPU you put in it.
SSD greatly lowers the boot and load times.

I left some budget so that if it is needed, you can include new case. Because you didn't say what case you have now, so don't know if it can fit the motherboard and the cooler.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 17, 2015

All those specs I mentioned above are all crammed in my PC, and it's all crammed in there, with a lot of heat. The PSU's wires take up a lot of space. https://www.asus.com/us/Tower-PCs/M11BB/ That is what my case is <-----. So I might need a bit more space! And should I put steam and all my games on that SSD? It seems that would be the most reasonable option for better load times.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

Yeah, you will need a new case as well.

So, here's the updated list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($59.90 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($90.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $683.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 03:35 EDT-0400

I changed the cooler since Dark Rock Pro 3 is better than Dark Rock 3 but exactly same price.
Chose an case which looks clean and has good air flow and space.

Also, you can install few games on the SSD. But Windows will take quite a bit space as well so you can't fit too many of them. Only install some 3-5 games which you play most often.

madmatt30 · Oct 18, 2015

^ I think there's a lot of wasted expense on that bud personally mate.

Nothing wrong with the xeon but theres absolutely no need for a $150 z series board & a $60 cooler with that CPU.

Either go with an unlocked i5 & a z series board or the Xeon & a cheaper h97 is my advice.

This is pretty much all you need IMO.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($241.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: RAIJINTEK THEMIS 65.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool KENDOMEN Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $494.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 04:44 EDT-0400

Save the rest of your money towards a future GPU upgrade.

You're going to have to repurchase windows for this build too BTW!

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

madmatt30 :

Oh right, I forgot about that.
Also, as for the future gpu upgrade. Pascal won't come until late next year. By that time he sure has been able to save some 300-500$ to buy the x70 or x80.

So might as well get some high grade parts now which you won't need to worry about in the future.

Here's the updated one with a bit cheaper motherboard, lower wattage version of the PSU (750W was a bit overkill when I thought about it), also the Deepcool Kendomen case instead and added Win10 Home:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($59.90 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool KENDOMEN Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($97.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $705.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

The price difference between i5 4690k and E3 1231 V3 is so small, that might as well take the E3 instead. It can be overclocked just as well. Even if not to same extent as 4690K. But it will be more than enough.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 18, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

madmatt30 :

Oh right, I forgot about that.
Also, as for the future gpu upgrade. Pascal won't come until late next year. By that time he sure has been able to save some 300-500$ to buy the x70 or x80.

So might as well get some high grade parts now which you won't need to worry about in the future.

Here's the updated one with a bit cheaper motherboard, lower wattage version of the PSU (750W was a bit overkill when I thought about it), also the Deepcool Kendomen case instead and added Win10 Home:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($59.90 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Deepcool KENDOMEN Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($97.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $705.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

The price difference between i5 4690k and E3 1231 V3 is so small, that might as well take the E3 instead. It can be overclocked just as well. Even if not to same extent as 4690K. But it will be more than enough.

Will the psu and mobo allow me to upgrade in the future? Also, can I bookmark these builds for like 2 months or so? Thanks a lot by the way; is there a way I can + your rep?

madmatt30 · Oct 18, 2015

The xeon CANNOT be overclocked !
Which means he'd be as well getting a h97 board & saving some money.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

madmatt30 :

That's weird, I remember hearing and reading that Xeons like E3-1231 V3 can be overclocked regularly. Just not by much.
That something like from 3.4Ghz to 3.8Ghz is possible.

I can't check it right now because my internet is currently total trash. it keeps cutting off and when it doesn't, it is so slow that many pages fail to even load.

But if it is so, then it is wiser move to get i5 4690k.

madmatt30 · Oct 18, 2015

You can push them to the turbo speed - not strictly overclocking IMO.
That can be done on a h97 board though

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

madmatt30 :

Now that my connection wants to work SOMEHOW again...
Yeah, it will be better to go with i5 4690k.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

Well, for MOBO the only upgrade on it will be more RAM and i7.
But it will of course let you add better gpu.
Also the PSU is enough for even GTX 980Ti.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 18, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

Ok, I'll go ahead and change the processor to the i5 4690k, since you say it's better.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 18, 2015

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LZrNCJ Is this what it should look like?

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

Yes, like that.

BTW, once you have gotten the new parts and built it, you can sell the old motherboard + cpu as a set for around about 70-75$.
Old PSU will go for about 30-45$.

Those will give you back about 100-120$. Thus the upgrade will basically only cost you about 600$.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 18, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

Oh, okay, where should I sell it? I forgot about that, sounds awesome!

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 18, 2015

Gandalf_the_Grey :

Well, pretty much anywhere you can think of.
On pages like Craigslist or similar.
Even eBay.

Gandalf_the_Grey · Oct 18, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

I don't know how to build a PC and all the videos I find are old from like 2009.

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