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Is it possible to use an all in-one CPU cooler like the Corsair H55 with a hybrid cooled card like the Asus 980Ti Poseidon along with a separate cooler for the CPU like a Corsair H110? Is it possible to remove the cpu plate and attach the tubes to the GPU or do you need a custom loop with a punp?
I know this is a total newb question but I have never had the chance to work with watercooling.
 
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I missed something:

1. You said you don't wanna mess with closed loops but that's exactly what the H110 and H55 are. The Predator is open-loop, not closed loop.

2. The Predator does not contain mixed metals (copper rads / copper blocks). CLCs (alum rads / copper blocks) violate the 1st rule of water cooling **do not mix metals**.

3. If anything, a hybrid solution where you are cannibalizing CLCs not only is the higher risk but you kill your warranty.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/281843-29-corsair-exploded

4. The cannibalizing / hybrid solution is by far the most complicated / difficult to install option available. Read this
about a similar open loop cooler from swiftech...
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Not a total noob question. Many pumps are held on the actual water block itself so you have to use a separate pump in that case. Others have the pump connected to the radiator instead, these can be used to cool the Poseidon directly but you void the warranty of the cooler and it may be difficult to connect to the Poseidon.

I would just buy the water cooling parts you need from china (except for the radiator) as it will give you good performance.

Go to the AliExpress.com store winfmod and get all the stuff you need for cheap.
 
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The thing is I don't wanna mess around with a closed loop as it puts my PC to risk. I prefer a sealed cooling kit. If not the Poseidon, can I find another watercooled card with an easier installation method?
 
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I missed something:

1. You said you don't wanna mess with closed loops but that's exactly what the H110 and H55 are. The Predator is open-loop, not closed loop.

2. The Predator does not contain mixed metals (copper rads / copper blocks). CLCs (alum rads / copper blocks) violate the 1st rule of water cooling **do not mix metals**.

3. If anything, a hybrid solution where you are cannibalizing CLCs not only is the higher risk but you kill your warranty.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/281843-29-corsair-exploded

4. The cannibalizing / hybrid solution is by far the most complicated / difficult to install option available. Read this
about a similar open loop cooler from swiftech:

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/40870-swiftech-h220-x-open-loop-240mm-cpu-cooler-review?showall=&start=3

Installation of the H220X was very easy, probably the easiest liquid cooler I have ever done. .... There is not a 240mm CLC or air cooler that can beat it, and it does it at 20+ dB quieter than the competing CLCs. To sum it up; the H220X offers better performance, lower noise, better aesthetics, flawless design and build, better components and the option of expandability when compared to a CLC. Putting it gently, choosing any CLC over the H220X would be doing yourself a huge disservice.
Click to expand...

The whole page is worth reading.

5. Adding a Poseidon to the loop could not be simpler. You'd buy:

EK-Predator_360_QDC_closed_1200_w_600.jpg


(1) QD Fitting
(18") tubing (to be safe)
(4) Clamps

a) Attach 1/2 the tube to Poseidon inlet with clamp
b) Repeat for Poseidon outlet
c) Attach male and female disconnect fittings to other ends of just installed tubes
d) Connect the 2 DC fittings
e) Bleed system
 
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I most likely confused cuatom loops and sealed loops like Corsair, NZXT and such. Is the Predator really that easy to install? If it is as simple as buy, install and profit I might go for a setup like that.
 
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The article I linked to is for the H220-x from Swiftech.... the go to all-in-one cooler is the Swiftech h240-X which will work pretty decent with a 4670k and a GTX 970. I prefer the Swiftech 220-X over the more expensive EK 220. However because the 980 Ti puts out more heat (as high as 360 watts under certain conditions), I really want 3 x 140mm but EK don't make any 140mm units and Swiftech won't make any fan x units

But when you get to the nitty gritty, the H240-X, at the same fan rpm, provides about 90% of the cooling with its two 140mm fans as the EK will with it's 120's. Then again, you should be able to mount another set of fans in push / pull on the Predator which would increase it's performance by about 21%.

I have installed the H240-X several times and .....

-The water block install is easier than any air cooler I have aver installed.
-The radiator install is the same as installing two case fans in top of case.

Opening the loop was pretty easy also.... I basically rotated the case 90 degrees (case front was now facing ceiling) and used the method I described in the the comments section of the THG predator article.
 
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It is easy like that cause unlike a custom loop, that has the pump and everything in the unit itself with the rad so you don't have to make space and buy pump, reservoir and everything else separately. 360 should cool both cpu and gpu and other than installing the unit just like you would any other corsair, etc...you just get the extra pieces jack mentioned and connect and that's about it...easy breezy.

EK is good quality too.

Swiftech is good too but you'd need more than the 240 unit to cool both cpu and gpu....It would work but I don't know if the temps for both would be really low.
 
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Swiftech is good too but you'd need more than the 240 unit to cool both cpu and gpu....It would work but I don't know if the temps for both would be really low.
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The Swiftceh H240-X is a 140mm x 280mm unit and provides 90% of the cooling of the EK 360.

140 x 280 = 39,200
120 x 360 = 43,200

The MSI 980 ti pulls a peak of 281 watts in gaming, a 4690k say 130 watts for a total of 411, 60% of which needs to be exhausted by the rad fans, rest will be handled by radiation form rad shrouds, tubing and component surfaces so figure 246 watts.

At 1800 rpm, for a Delta T of 10C, a dual 140mm radiator will provide about 233 watts of cooling, a triple 120mm about 257. The 360 would have a theoretical Delta T of 9.6C .... the 240 would have a Delta T of about 10.6C.

But that also doesn't include the fact that you still have the Poseidon's two fans removing heat from the loop.....so much so that they are able to keep the card cool without any water. So I don't see any issue with either the H240-X or EK 360. I'd expect Delta T to be significantly lower than your custom loop for the same components because of the extra 2 fans.

 
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Hmmmm I didn't think it was that close but then again I always forget it's a 280 rad and they call it the 240...Then that should work. Also forgot about the poseidons actual fans too, this ones a lil different from typical waterblock. It's a cool card though, if I didn't already have hybrid and this was available earlier I'd snag one.
 
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I love water cooling for the aesthetics and noise reduction but if I said that my custom water loop got me better performance I'd be lying. The 900 series are just too danged efficient to be impeded by heat, and CPUs generally hit a voltage wall before a thermal wall with any kind of decent cooling. If I wasn't so anal (flexible tubing running this way and that) I would never use anything more than a H240-X or equivalent. Nice thing also, if ya want another radiator, you can add one. If Swiftech made a 420mm version I'd have a hard time justifying a custom loop other than if all my tubing isn't rigid and at straight 0 / 90 degree angle I 'd lie awake at night. :)

My son laughs at me when he helps me do build. If he puts in a Phillips head screw that looks like this X, I chide him and tell him to make them all look like this +. Then again, two years later, on my personal build, the PSU cables remain unsleeved and all my cable sleeving materials (wire, cable pins, sleeving and connectors) are still in a box next to the PC.
 
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I love the looks of it too and I've always suggested the swiftech 240 because of it's customizeable ability up until this new predator came out. A little more expensive but I like it, good for starters or if you just don't want to mess with it.

You're right about the 900 series and cpu too, amd does run into heat real quick though but I also just prefer the cool temps, even if it doesn't prolong the life that much, I still like to think I'm at least trying to treat it good, especially if they're more expensive parts.
 
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My GPUs run at 39C w/ rad fans @ 1250 rpm and 44C at 850 rpm where the only problem is if the screen goes to sleep I often find myself turning on an already turned on PC..... it's almost too danged quiet ... ya can't tell that puter is on :)

I still have concerns about the predator, for one, bleeding it looks quite difficult and two, I can't see water level. Also not sure how / if the tubes come off radiator / water block. Interesting that in images, they have fans blowing wrong way. So does Corsair BTW, but at least Corsair instructions correctly state to have fans blow into case.
 
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Can you send me links of the components you specified above from EK's webshop?
 
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