Component shops for the Netherlands

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Hello all.

I have finally decided on the components that I want for my new PC, and now i want to find the cheapest solution available. I am in the Netherlands, and right now the shop that gives me the best price is newegg, allthough it goes much higher than I expected (if you include VAT and shipping=400EUros),
Is there any better (mailny cheaper) solution that accepts payment with paypal or i-deal?

Any help would be appreciated

-HH- · Oct 28, 2015

Tried the UK?

OCUK accept Paypal!

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

yes i have tried it mate. it seems to reduce the cost of the PC from 1400 Euros (at newegg) to 1320 (at overclockers).
In general i am open to any type of solutions to reduce the cost (and keeping the same components).
I would be really glad if i managed to get it at 1100-1200.

-HH- · Oct 28, 2015

Have you got a PCPP shortlink for your components.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

there's also Alternative.nl

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

http://picpaste.com/components-M5x0u2xL.jpg

These are the prices at newegg that seemed to be too good to be true. And indeed, when i try to cash out, VAT and shipping costs raise the price to 1400Euros

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

I guess u mean alternate.nl

I just tried it and although i am not 100% sure that i picked the exact same products, it seems that the costs goes to 1200 Euro, so it is the cheapest shop i found till now.

Would i be asking for too much if i wanted to reduce the price even more??

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

the-pianist :

lol, my bad. Yeah, I meant alternate.nl.

Could you take a screenshot of your shopping cart and post it here?

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

Sure. Here it is:
http://picpaste.com/components-alternate-FbQ5CXiT.jpg

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

Hmm...is it purely for gaming? In that case you could take i5 4690K instead.

Also, are you planning overclocking?
If not, then you can save even more by taking H97 motherboard + i5 4690

And choose a better PSU. Corsair CX is bad.
XFX PRO or TS 550W is enough and shouldn't be much different in price.

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

Well it is not purely for gaming as i will use it for :gaming, software (like autocad 3d etc), movies etc.
I believe the CPU is the heart of each system, that's why i want to by a quite good one (4790k).
Regarding the motherboard, I am quite a fun of ASrock and I have read some really good reviews for this particular motherboard.

I will keep the advice for the power supply though. I wasn't sure myself that this Corsair was really good. Alternate.nl sell XFX550 watt for 68 euros. However, are 550 Watts gonna be enough?

(by the way really thanks for all the help)

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

Well, for autocad etc. the HyperThreading is good.
You can take Xeon E3-1231 V3 in order to have close the price of i5 but still get HyperThreading for autocad and such stuff.

It's a good middle ground between i7 and i5.
At least usually it can be found near the price of i5.
For it you can take an AsRock H97 board.

And yes, 550W is enough to power something like FX-8350 + GTX 970.
So no matter which Intel you go with + GTX 960, 550W is plenty.

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

Well to be honest, when I decided which components to buy i read some reviews, checked perfomance tests and got the advice of a friend of mine that is good at those things, so we decided together for what u see at the links I gave above.
The thing is the final price went 400 euros higher due to VAT and shipping and thats why I want to reduce it.
1200 at alternate.nl is not bad though. But i think it can get a bit better somehow

-HH- · Oct 28, 2015

This could work out a little cheaper...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£196.12 @ More Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£67.91 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£64.36 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£65.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.13 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380 4GB PCS+ Video Card (£166.06 @ More Computers)
Case: Thermaltake Core X2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£94.82 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£67.94 @ Novatech)
Total: £761.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-28 11:05 GMT+0000

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

-HH- :

Well its true it is a cheaper solution that would of course work.
But it is one level below the solution that I want.
And i say that, cause I believe that the value for money of the solution that i want (http://picpaste.com/components-alternate-FbQ5CXiT.jpg) is REALLY good.

-HH- · Oct 28, 2015

The thing is, my assumption is you won't be overclocking at which point the i7 is fairly useless IMO. The xeon is a slightly slowed down i7which in a gaming situation will drop maybe 2-3 fps.

I'd personally go for something like an i5 6600k and put a GTX 970 or an R9 390 on. I was just thinking if you need the CPU power for video editing or alike.

Thermaltake Core X2 is a beautiful case IMO and is well worth a check.

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

I think that by buying an i7, the life expectancy of the PC will be much higher than buying a xeon/i5 processor. It is true that the i7 increases quite a lot the total cost, but it is the base on which i built this PC that I talk about.

No, no video editing at all.

I dont really want to go to a solution fo micro ATX, and this case (fractal design) is really great (ATX). This friend of mine has it and it produces NO sound and the air circulation in the case is really good.

So to sum up, i think the only way to reduce the price is if i buy a cheaper Motherboard than ASrock z97 extreme 4 (155euros).

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

Getting i7 over an i5 won't change the life time of it at all, really.
In gaming, i7, i5 and Xeon work almost same just as long.

For other stuff like autocad, i7 and Xeon have just as long life time too.

Unless you compare Skylake vs Haswell-Refresh.

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

bumped

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

the way i see it, there is no point in buying a top class motherboards, GPU, ssd, ram and buy a mid-class processor.
Correct me if i am wrong.

Life expectancy i mean that for example if i buy a new, good GPU in 3 years or so, maybe even overclock the CPU then , the PC will keep rocking in 3 years (having an i7 at its core).
(that's what i meant by life expectancy which i guess was a bad choice of words. its more about how long is the PC i am buying going to be be able to run software (games, autocad etc) )
And of course, i5 is an older technology than i7 , with whatever that means.

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

i5 will do exactly what you said about the Life expectancy.
And i5 is nowhere near mid-class cpu. That would be i3.
i5 and i7 are both high-end cpus.

And i5 and i7 (4690k and 4790k) are just as old. The exact same tech. Only difference is that i7 comes with higher stock clocks and HyperThreading.
Xeon E3-1231 V3 comes with clockspeeds of i5 but i7's HT. (though it cannot be overclocked, which can be count as minus)
Same for i5 6600k and i7 6700k and the upcoming Skylake Xeons.

Also, no matter which you go with, 5-6 years is maximum they will do. Overclock or no overclock.

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

So you are saying that there is no need to buy an i7 ? (considering the rest parts that i chose and that i want a quite top-class PC?)
It is true that the cost would go down like 200 euros by buying an i5, but then i think i should also buy worse ram, motherboard, etc which means that the class of the PC will go down in general.
Or are you saying I should keep everything else and just buy an i5 processor?

(i dont really know all this technical staff about overclocking, clockspeeds etc) thats why i need some help. I mean if you people are saying that an i5 is just as good as an i7, what is the point of buying an i7? :S

Sapphire Thunder · Oct 28, 2015

the-pianist :

Yes and no.
i5 (4690k) is plenty. But Xeon E3-1231 V3 would give you the HyperThreading which will be helpful in stuff like Autocad (I think it was more cpu bound and could use HT, I'm not sure) and code compiling.

But you can also go for 1 year newer tech by getting Intel i5 6600k and Z170 motherboard together with DDR4-2400Mhz.

EDIT: I looked into it and it seem AutoCad is more GPU intensive. Meaning you will be better off with i5 4690K + powerful gpu. Something like Radeon R9 390 or GTX 970.

the-pianist · Oct 28, 2015

Sapphire Thunder :

The idea of newer technology with a lower final price (i5 with ddr4 motherboard and ram) seems really good now that u mention.
U think I should go with that?

(my autocad use is not such a big factor for my choices right now. I want a real quick pc that will keep playing most games with almost full graphics, as long as possible. And of course i want it to be really good with all other uses).

-HH- · Oct 28, 2015

There's no real way of future proofing at the moment, regardless of what you buy, the rate we are expanding means we are going to get a new 'greatest' technology which is a real step forward every year or so, for example. DDR4, HBM in Graphics cards and the nano meters in CPU manufacturing are slowly getting smaller and smaller. Anywho I'd grab a xeon for now maybe wait out a few weeks till the skylake xeons hit the market for use of DDR4 RAM.

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